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Posted on 7/10/21 at 6:03 pm to CorchJay
Posted on 7/10/21 at 6:03 pm to CorchJay
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I’m behind Harsin I support and think it was a decent out of the box hire and I have very high hopes. But I can also point out the obvious that even though we knew it would take time for relationships to be built we are way way underperforming what was even expected to be a drop in recruiting.
That is all we are saying and people should just admit that and move on
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Posted on 7/10/21 at 6:49 pm to LanierSpots
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Its more about a lot of you not calling a spade a spade. You make excuses to cover the fact that we are recruiting at a D2 level right now. You guys take it personal.
I haven’t made an excuse at all, but I’m also not freaking out. I’m in wait and see mode. If we don’t look like competent football team, struggle on the field, and still have recruiting issues in 2022, then I’ll be concerned. A new coaching staff coming off a covid year, I think they need to be given more of a chance and not be compared to Chizik or Malzahn’s first years. The situations are completely different.
What’s going to be annoying is after our first bad loss, people coming in and having a “told you so” attitude, or “this what what you all wanted?”. It will happen though. It already is.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 6:55 pm to CorchJay
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we are way way underperforming what was even expected to be a drop in recruiting.
Maybe what you expected. We are frankly exactly where I thought we’d be, unfortunately. Does it suck to see? Sure.
If you are thinking things were going to be way, way above where they are right now, I just think your expectations were unrealistic.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 7:03 pm to CorchJay
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I’m behind Harsin I support and think it was a decent out of the box hire and I have very high hopes. But I can also point out the obvious that even though we knew it would take time for relationships to be built we are way way underperforming what was even expected to be a drop in recruiting.
Yes we expected him to underperform in recruiting this summer. I’ve said he would on here many times. You also expected recruiting would dip but maybe there is a host of other issues that Harsin had to contend with that we have no clue about. Maybe delayed visits because of covid disrupted things for a new coach? NIL? Maybe needing to see his guys in the spring to know exactly what he needed? So even though you expected recruiting to dip a little bit, maybe you weren’t taking into account other factors that also contributed to this off-season being exceedingly bad. So possibly all of this gnashing is over an inappropriately placed floor y’all mentally extrapolated
I also said this season will probably be rough. It will. Cant act surprised over something reasonably expected. I’m not saying Harsin can win at a high level while recruiting like this year over year, but we have to hope his current performance are the lows of his tenure. Harsin is gonna have to let this season do the recruiting for us.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 7/10/21 at 7:13 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Maybe what you expected. We are frankly exactly where I thought we’d be, unfortunately. Does it suck to see? Sure. If you are thinking things were going to be way, way above where they are right now, I just think your expectations were unrealistic.
This is what I was trying to say. Even though your post was more direct and better said in a simpler way. I need to do that more often.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 7:40 pm to jangalang
So why are you thinking Harsin would struggle more than other coaches? They all face the same circumstances.
I don’t get people expecting Harsin to struggle in recruiting his first year. Other coaches excel their first year.
I don’t get people expecting Harsin to struggle in recruiting his first year. Other coaches excel their first year.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 7:53 pm to LanierSpots
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So why are you thinking Harsin would struggle more than other coaches? They all face the same circumstances
Mainly because he is a new coach in a new region not able to sell what he will be about because of Covid.. Sure all veteran coaches were impacted, but not as much as Harsin. He is from Boise after all. This is why I don’t agree with your last sentence of first year coaches being able to do well. Maybe you’re just used to Auburn being able to bring in someone like Muschamp and landing the package deal of Cowart and Carlton right off the bat but Harsin never had that recruiting ability in Boise either.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 7/10/21 at 7:54 pm to LanierSpots
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They all face the same circumstances.
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Other coaches excel their first year.
I don’t know Harsin. I feel zero need to defend his effort and accomplishments 7 months into his tenure. I’m always baffled why anyone else would. But, my god
You know, an unprecedented recruiting dead period that extended 6 months after his hire date that included the last signing period of the previous class and the first 5 months of the upcoming one. But yeah, sure, nothing different than any coach ever. Exactly the same as always.
It’s these disingenuous posts that get at me the most. Surely you recognize there’s something a little different.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 7/10/21 at 7:58 pm to LanierSpots
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I don’t get people expecting Harsin to struggle in recruiting his first year
I think most would say he’s a west coast guy, no SEC experience, not very well known by southern states, Covid, no on campus visits until a couple months ago, no visits for games the past year.
Seems like logical reasons.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 9:54 pm to LanierSpots
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I don’t get people expecting Harsin to struggle in recruiting his first year. Other coaches excel their first year.
How many of these kids have ever been to an actual recruiting visit to Auburn? I’d wager almost none. Sure some have been for camps, but I mean actual recruiting visits. We all know Auburn is a big sell on campus visits and most of these kids have never had one. Mix that in with a huge paradigm shift in coaching philosophy, we are trying to sell kids on a complete unknown in terms of both location and product.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:13 pm to jangalang
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This is what I was trying to say. Even though your post was more direct and better said in a simpler way. I need to do that more often.
I got you fam
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:10 pm to LanierSpots
Let’s be honest. He may be well known in some parts of the country but not nationally.
Chizik and Gus had recruited and coached in the SEC, and their staff had recruited a lot in
and around the SEC.
Harsin only has a few on staff that has. He has something to prove right? I’m okay with that. I wanted someone new and outside the family and quite frankly so did everyone else.
I read a good article about the process he is bringing in. I am excited to see it unfold. He is looking to build up a long term program with consistent success. I decided I would be patient and supportive.
I feel good about him and I can’t put it all into words. I hope I’m right. I’m okay that you and others aren’t on board.
I wanted to add the following. I don’t say this to be snarky or rude, but I don’t need you or anyone else to agree with me. I know nothing I say can change how you feel about Harsin and his recruiting, which is only about 30% complete by the way, I know it will take action and wins. I fully expect to see you all on board and then finding something else to bitch about Auburn football.
Chizik and Gus had recruited and coached in the SEC, and their staff had recruited a lot in
and around the SEC.
Harsin only has a few on staff that has. He has something to prove right? I’m okay with that. I wanted someone new and outside the family and quite frankly so did everyone else.
I read a good article about the process he is bringing in. I am excited to see it unfold. He is looking to build up a long term program with consistent success. I decided I would be patient and supportive.
I feel good about him and I can’t put it all into words. I hope I’m right. I’m okay that you and others aren’t on board.
I wanted to add the following. I don’t say this to be snarky or rude, but I don’t need you or anyone else to agree with me. I know nothing I say can change how you feel about Harsin and his recruiting, which is only about 30% complete by the way, I know it will take action and wins. I fully expect to see you all on board and then finding something else to bitch about Auburn football.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:35 pm to LanierSpots
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That is all we are saying
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 2:18 am
Posted on 7/11/21 at 7:59 am to LanierSpots
Lanier I agree. New coaches bring change and excitement to a program. The coaches have change so they are really excited just like a new job. Say what you want but there is no reason to be where we are at in recruiting.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 8:50 am to LanierSpots
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I’m behind Harsin I support and think it was a decent out of the box hire and I have very high hopes. But I can also point out the obvious that even though we knew it would take time for relationships to be built we are way way underperforming what was even expected to be a drop in recruiting.
That is all we are saying and people should just admit that and move on
OK,
you said it, once again,
hope it makes you better.
It just an anxiety attack and there's some good drugs for that. The grownups knew it was going to take a while to right the ship, to get who we needed, and expected an extended bumpy exhilarating ride. Now get to the back of the bus and sit down... because the rocking is making everyone else nauseous... and this ride is about to get started.
BTW: go get that house buying done so you can get us a fishing team.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 8:57 am
Posted on 7/11/21 at 9:05 am to awestruck
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Now get to the back of the bus and sit down... because the rocking is making everyone else nauseous... and this ride is about to get started.
This is the issue with this board. If you dont agree 100% with the mob, you are making everyone sick. If you have a different view, you are cast aside. Not that I have ever cared.
You guys need to just deal with the fact that there are some of us, not just me, that are very concerned with how things are progressing with our new coaching staff. You can spin the recruiting and style of recruiting all you want but for right now, there are concerns.
Not everyone believes in voodoo recruiting, coaching up lesser talent, "finding the guys that fit" definitions. Talent wins. If you dont believe that, look at the best teams in the nation the last 15 years. They are the teams with the most talent. Not the teams that coached up a bunch of 2nd stringers.
People are not looking for something to bitch about as Rocky alluded to. Right now, it is a valid concern and people will talk about that
Sorry that I, and a few others, dont comply with the spinning of the situation. It is what it is.
We may end up signing a top 5 class and win the natty next year. Nobody would like to see that more than me. But I still dont get the thought that Harsin is facing more odds than anyone coach. A lot new coaches in the SEC recently brought in excitement and killed it early in recruiting. We are not. If the thought was that Harsin is a west coast guy and he cant recruit in the southeast, why the hell did we bring him in. I dont believe that for a second. We have coaches who have been here. Its more about the entire staff than just him
If the boat is rocking a little, that is a good thing. And as far as I remember, it is why this thread was created by Corch. Another guy that you all have pounded because his views are not on the company line
Pound away. I will continue to be concerned until there is no need to be. And no amount of voodoo recruiting 2 star talent will fix that.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 9:47 am to LanierSpots
quote:it was a joke
This is the issue with this board. If you dont agree 100% with the mob, you are making everyone sick. If you have a different view, you are cast aside. Not that I have ever cared.
ya'baws getting a little too serious... have a good day
Posted on 7/11/21 at 9:49 am to LanierSpots
The only new SEC head coaches I can think of that have really impressed out of the gates in recruiting were Mullen (at UF), Kirby, and Fisher. Fisher and Mullen were obviously well known coaches at their previous stint, Fisher having won a natty. Mullen’s recruiting has improved from MSU but he’s not really cracking the top 5 either (#12, #9, and #9 in the last 3 classes). Kirby was among the most well known assistants for a decade there under Saban and he did quite well in recruiting, making it a top priority and is crushing it. That’s also the state school of the most talent rich HS football state in the country. A distinct advantage, to kirby’s credit, that he’s absolutely taking advantage of.
Sark has done well despite the Covid restrictions. I’m not seeing much at UT, USCe, Vandy to support those new hires doing well. Ole Miss isn’t doing well. Arkansas under Pittman might be improving in recruiting but it’s hard to tell right now. Anyway, one guy that’s really succeeding is Sark. It has taken Mark Stoops about a decade to get Kentucky going and they’re not exactly recruiting great but there’s clear improvement still. But probably wasn’t your example on this either.
Setting your rant about being persecuted aside for a moment, you’re only getting grief from me due to your failure to recognize that Harsin was hired in the middle of an unprecedented recruiting dead period. One in which most recruits (over 80% I think?) had already signed before he was even interviewed for the job. The other occupied the 6 of the 7 months he’s been on the job which has been his only opportunity to get to know these ‘22 guys.
That’s not something any of the successful new coaches mentioned above had to face out of the gate.
Back to your rant - I’m plenty concerned about the direction of football and Auburn athletics as a whole. I didn’t love the Harsin hire when it happened and I think a lot of us have inflated our opinion of the hire due to fears of someone like Steele, Clark, and others getting the nod. I’m not here to cape for Harsin but I think being fair is important. I defended Gus’s recruiting to the very end. Did it every summer when our classes lagged the pack but always found it’s way back toward the top. I also was fair about his OL recruiting and lack of consistency on the field. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. Something we agree on.
Last thing on on the persecution angle. You invite what you’re lamenting against when you’re disingenuous. Anyone does.
When you have to throw in things that clearly are not happening to prove a point it diminishes everything else that was much better stated before you arrived to this. And honestly, makes me wonder if this is just something you’re pretending to care about to set yourself on this persecution route for the Harsin tenure.
And lastly, I fricking love Corch.
Sark has done well despite the Covid restrictions. I’m not seeing much at UT, USCe, Vandy to support those new hires doing well. Ole Miss isn’t doing well. Arkansas under Pittman might be improving in recruiting but it’s hard to tell right now. Anyway, one guy that’s really succeeding is Sark. It has taken Mark Stoops about a decade to get Kentucky going and they’re not exactly recruiting great but there’s clear improvement still. But probably wasn’t your example on this either.
Setting your rant about being persecuted aside for a moment, you’re only getting grief from me due to your failure to recognize that Harsin was hired in the middle of an unprecedented recruiting dead period. One in which most recruits (over 80% I think?) had already signed before he was even interviewed for the job. The other occupied the 6 of the 7 months he’s been on the job which has been his only opportunity to get to know these ‘22 guys.
That’s not something any of the successful new coaches mentioned above had to face out of the gate.
Back to your rant - I’m plenty concerned about the direction of football and Auburn athletics as a whole. I didn’t love the Harsin hire when it happened and I think a lot of us have inflated our opinion of the hire due to fears of someone like Steele, Clark, and others getting the nod. I’m not here to cape for Harsin but I think being fair is important. I defended Gus’s recruiting to the very end. Did it every summer when our classes lagged the pack but always found it’s way back toward the top. I also was fair about his OL recruiting and lack of consistency on the field. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. Something we agree on.
Last thing on on the persecution angle. You invite what you’re lamenting against when you’re disingenuous. Anyone does.
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And no amount of voodoo recruiting 2 star talent will fix that.
When you have to throw in things that clearly are not happening to prove a point it diminishes everything else that was much better stated before you arrived to this. And honestly, makes me wonder if this is just something you’re pretending to care about to set yourself on this persecution route for the Harsin tenure.
And lastly, I fricking love Corch.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 9:52 am to awestruck
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it was a joke
ya'baws getting a little too serious... have a good day
Which is why there’s zero chance I can take Lanier serious in this thread. Grasping at straws to accomplish his persecuted Aubie Board persona
Posted on 7/11/21 at 9:54 am to TheJones
quote:He growing on me... except when he has to defend his honor.
And lastly, I fricking love Corch.
Honor - here - we ain't got no honor.
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