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re: Freeze presser 9/30
Posted on 10/1/24 at 1:45 pm to AuburnTigers
Posted on 10/1/24 at 1:45 pm to AuburnTigers
Idk why yall expected a team replacing roughly 2/3 it's roster to do any better.
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Posted on 10/1/24 at 1:48 pm to The_SwAUggford
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Idk why yall expected a team replacing roughly 2/3 it's roster to do any better.
Beating New Mexico State, Cal and Arkansas at home is not really an unreasonable expectation
Posted on 10/1/24 at 1:54 pm to Weagle25
Sure. If you lack perspective. The only SEC caliber player we had on offense last year was Cowboy. And fairweather showed flashes. Tough to beat p5 teams and good g5 teams with that.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 2:19 pm to The_SwAUggford
In your last two posts you said our roster was awful and questioned why replacing most of it would result in improvement
Posted on 10/1/24 at 2:26 pm to RandySavage
You're aware of what it was replaced with right? Freshmen and anybody Hugh could get his hands on in the portal. There's a reason why Hugh says we have to build the program through freshmen and recruiting. You can't just go buy 40 dudes for your football program in the transfer portal and go compete with teams that have been developing their own guys for a few years. And I shouldn't have to explain to you why.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 2:31 pm to The_SwAUggford
I don't get it honestly, are you saying we were out talented in our 3 losses this year? You think other teams aren't full of portal guys? You don't expect our coach to be able to improve a roster you just said had maybe 2 sec caliber players on it? It's okay to admit Hugh has been a colossal failure on the field so far
Posted on 10/1/24 at 2:48 pm to RandySavage
You're resorting to grasping at straws and doing mental gymnastics trying to poke holes in my logic. The talent on offense has improved dramatically and its obvious, quit being dense. That's why we've been able to move the ball so well this year. Do you not think he's improved the talent? It's ok to admit that Hugh has done something right.
I criticize Hugh when he deserves it. I've been vocal about him being wrong for not getting a portal quarterback this year, tentatively so, but thats bc we dont get to see all the behind the scenes footage. Maybe the boosters wanted to see that the offense could work before they throw multiple millions at a portal qb.
I've been vocal about the OU loss being squarely on his shoulders and his mismanagement being concerning. I'm not bought in 100% on Hugh yet bc of this specifically and I've been consistent on that.
Y'all just continue to attack him on ignorant bullshite. He hasn't been a complete failure. That's just asinine and again I'll say, emotional.
I criticize Hugh when he deserves it. I've been vocal about him being wrong for not getting a portal quarterback this year, tentatively so, but thats bc we dont get to see all the behind the scenes footage. Maybe the boosters wanted to see that the offense could work before they throw multiple millions at a portal qb.
I've been vocal about the OU loss being squarely on his shoulders and his mismanagement being concerning. I'm not bought in 100% on Hugh yet bc of this specifically and I've been consistent on that.
Y'all just continue to attack him on ignorant bullshite. He hasn't been a complete failure. That's just asinine and again I'll say, emotional.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 2:51 pm to RandySavage
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You think other teams aren't full of portal guys
Other teams aren't majority freshmen and portal guys, no. Without spending hours scouring the rosters I'd bet money cal, Arkansas, nmsu, and Maryland were majority developed high school recruits .
Posted on 10/1/24 at 2:59 pm to The_SwAUggford
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You can't just go buy 40 dudes for your football program in the transfer portal and go compete with teams that have been developing their own guys for a few years. And I shouldn't have to explain to you why.
Actually, except for a very, very few teams, that's what college football is now. Every year, every team is going to be in the portal. The best of them will be looking for depth, others for any skill position they can get their hands on. QB is a perfect example. Half the conference either started the season or is now starting a transfer at QB. That number is going to grow, not diminish. Same with receivers, edge rushers, linemen and other crucial skill positions. Because when the portal opens again this season, a lot of those recruits these teams are counting on for a four year build are going to jump for more money, more playing time or more exposure and it will happen every year. And if we don't get a solid - and subsequently very expensive - QB out of the portal this off-season, we'll potentially be in bigger trouble than we're looking at right now.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:03 pm to AUCom96
quote:you think it's the norm to replace the majority of your roster with portal guys and freshmen year in and year out for most teams?
Every year, every team is going to be in the portal.
quote:Everybody in and around the program knows that. I have no doubt Hugh is gonna have a blank check book to go get exactly who he wants. We won't be outbid for our guy.
And if we don't get a solid - and subsequently very expensive - QB out of the portal this off-season, we'll potentially be in bigger trouble than we're looking at right now.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:06 pm to The_SwAUggford
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you think it's the norm to replace the majority of your roster with portal guys and freshmen year in and year out for most teams?
Majority? No. Starters? I think that's going to slide increasingly towards being the case for most teams.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:08 pm to The_SwAUggford
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I criticize Hugh when he deserves it.
You don’t if you can’t admit that we should be beating New Mexico State, Cal and Arkansas at home.
I’m in here defending Freeze but I don’t know how you can say we shouldn’t have a team good enough to beat those three teams at home even in year 1 & 2. Hell we beat Cal last year on the road with a worse roster.
Things happen and you lose games. Sure. It’s still a knock on Freeze though. Hopefully he’ll get it figured out.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:09 pm to AUCom96
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Majority? No. Starters? I think that's going to slide increasingly towards being the case for most teams.
There are not enough starter quality transfers for most teams to do that. There’s barely enough for a few teams to do that.
This post was edited on 10/1/24 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:10 pm to AUCom96
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Majority? No
That's kind of my entire point. You're talking about something completely different.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:15 pm to Weagle25
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You don’t if you can’t admit that we should be beating New Mexico State, Cal and Arkansas at home
Nope. I disagree. And why is currently being discussed in this thread rn. Feel free to go back and read my post and add to it. I'm not repeating myself.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:22 pm to The_SwAUggford
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You're talking about something completely different.
We're in the same boat as most of college football and we're about to go on the road against a few other teams that had to patchwork a lot of their team, too. Just like our September home series, we have comparable talent to every one of them not named Georgia and Alabama. I'm hoping Freeze has learned not to go 5 wide with an empty backfield late in the fourth if we have a narrow lead against any of them and not just because Payton Thorne is mediocre.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:31 pm to AUCom96
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We're in the same boat as most of college football and we're about to go on the road against a few other teams that had to patchwork a lot of their team, too
Still not the same as what we went through preseason year 1 and is less relevant year 2. We're still not talking bout the same thing homie.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 4:52 pm to The_SwAUggford
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Nope. I disagree.
Then you don’t always criticize Freeze when he deserves it.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 5:17 pm to The_SwAUggford
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You're resorting to grasping at straws and doing mental gymnastics trying to poke holes in my logic
Not sure where to start, to me you seem to be contradicting yourself but maybe I'm misunderstanding.
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The talent on offense has improved dramatically and its obvious, quit being dense. That's why we've been able to move the ball so well this year. Do you not think he's improved the talent? It's ok to admit that Hugh has done something right.
Yes, I'm the one saying our talent is plenty good enough to win the games we have been losing. It's basically the entire premise of my frustration. I also understand our talent isn't where it needs to be to compete with the elites, not sure how long you've been around here but I used to get killed all the time on this board for being critical of our recruiting.
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I've been vocal about the OU loss being squarely on his shoulders and his mismanagement being concerning. I'm not bought in 100% on Hugh yet bc of this specifically and I've been consistent on that.
We agree here.
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Y'all just continue to attack him on ignorant bullshite. He hasn't been a complete failure. That's just asinine and again I'll say, emotional.
I said a complete failure on the field and I stand by that. In our last 8 games we have been equal or better talent in 7 of them. 7 of them have also been at home and one neutral site. We have won 2 of those games. In a couple we have been noncompetitive and a couple of others we have gagged away in spectacular fashion. It's hard to get worse than that from a coaching standpoint. How do you see it any other way? He's also come across very poorly in some of his comments and press conferences which isn't helping his situation at all.
All that said, I've been on the "it's the recruiting, stupid" train for many, many years and I still believe that's 90% of the game. Obviously Hugh is crushing it in this area and I've stated many times as long as he can keep the talent coming in he deserves time to see it through. That's another one of the most frustrating aspects of all of this. We were recruiting at a level nearly unprecedented since recruiting became an industry and I'm afraid we are going to throw it all away because we can't get it together on the field.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 5:47 pm to The_SwAUggford
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Idk why yall expected a team replacing roughly 2/3 it's roster to do any better.
I mean, that’s what Hugh told us.
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