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Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:53 pm to metafour
Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:53 pm to metafour
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How a coach does in year #2 is extremely important for a wide variety of reasons.
1) Any idiot (except Harsin) can recruit in year #1. Year #2 needs to show proof of concept (wins) in order to maintain recruiting momentum going into year #3. Because we are shitting the bed on the field, he will get negative recruiting out the arse next season. The same thing happened to Napier at Florida.
2) In the Portal era, signing elite HS classes is pointless without winning games. You need to win to keep those freshmen on your roster. You think Perry Thompson signed on to ride the bench on a 3-win team? A&M had an exodus of elite 5-stars when the on-field results didn't meet the sales pitch. I have a hard time believing that Freeze's sales pitch included a 3-win year #2.
3) The unwritten rule in the SEC is that your coach's future is evaluated after year #3 and a decision is made. Because year #2 is a flop for Freeze, he will by default go into year #3 on the hot-seat. This is NOT an advantageous position. For one, if he has to make coaching changes it will limit his candidates (who wants to come join a HC who might get fired at the end of the season?). Secondly, it affects your ability to attract top Portal talent. If I'm a QB with NFL aspirations and I have one season of eligibility left - am I hitching my wagon to a coach coming off a 3-4 win season in which the product on the field was a sloppy mess? Most of the players who are playing are his guys now - he doesn't get to use the excuse of "well we suck but its because I'm playing the last losers bad players".
I mean I agree with all of this. It just doesnt seem like Freeze approached year 2 in a win now mentality. He did not seem antsy, he seemed liked he sat on his hands in the portal.
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Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:56 pm to Fearless_and_True
I remember 2012. This team is not that team. A few lost games had Auburn ahead in the statistics. This team moves the ball between the 20's and can't find the end-zone after that.
Had two field goals not been missed...
I'm more optimistic than most despite this string of losses. I think Auburn will surprise some we don't expect.
Had two field goals not been missed...
I'm more optimistic than most despite this string of losses. I think Auburn will surprise some we don't expect.
This post was edited on 10/19/24 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:56 pm to jangalang
How many games you think Hugh was comfortable losing this year?
Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:57 pm to Cocotheape
6 to 9 apparently
Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:58 pm to Cocotheape
Comfortable?
If my speculation on his transfer portal activity prompts you to ask stupid questions, then you can fill in the blank yourselves.
If my speculation on his transfer portal activity prompts you to ask stupid questions, then you can fill in the blank yourselves.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:59 pm to Beachbum87
quote:You're a freaky drunk.
6 to 9 apparently
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:00 pm to jangalang
I wish I was drunk lol
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:04 pm to jangalang
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my speculation on his transfer portal activity prompts you to ask stupid questions, then you can fill in the blank yourselves
I think your transfer portal speculation being stupid is what leaves you unable to answer the question.
We are heading for 8-10 losses, whatever Hugh’s transfer portal strategy for year 2 was, it has been a failure. There’s no need to speculate on what Hugh wanted this year because this is certainly not it.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:07 pm to jangalang
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I mean I agree with all of this. It just doesnt seem like Freeze approached year 2 in a win now mentality. He did not seem antsy, he seemed liked he sat on his hands in the portal.
He did sit on his hands, because he overestimated what he thought he had, and he overestimated his own ability. They won 6 games last season, and he likely thought that winning at least 7 games would be easy. You bring back the same team in the second year in the system and you add KLS, a bunch of P5 transfers, and some "elite" 5-star recruits. Oh, and now I'm going to be involved in play-calling as well. What could go wrong?
Winning 7-games would have been enough to sell the idea that everything is going as planned. However, there is no chance in hell that he foresaw the season that you are actually witnessing. Winning less games in year #2 than you did in year #1 by default looks like a coach that is failing. That is how he will be presented in the media.
Watch him speak at any of these post-game pressers or weekly pressers. Does this seem like a guy who believes that everything is going as planned? He looks dejected and even scared. There is zero confidence from him.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:08 pm to Beachbum87
Hmm. Could've been. Oh well, he's still the coach. Best thing for AU is that he starts winning some games, so imma pull for my dudes and he's one of em.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:09 pm to Cocotheape
quote:What is your answer to such a ridiculous question?
I think your transfer portal speculation being stupid is what leaves you unable to answer the question.
Enlighten us, please, O Enlightened One
quote:Your post isnt it. Did he sit on getting a QB or not. Make up your minds.
There’s no need to speculate on what Hugh wanted this year because this is certainly not it.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:11 pm to metafour
quote:This appears to be correct.
He did sit on his hands, because he overestimated what he thought he had, and he overestimated his own ability. They won 6 games last season, and he likely thought that winning at least 7 games would be easy. You bring back the same team in the second year in the system and you add KLS, a bunch of P5 transfers, and some "elite" 5-star recruits. Oh, and now I'm going to be involved in play-calling as well. What could go wrong?
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:22 pm to jangalang
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What is your answer to such a ridiculous question? Enlighten us, please, O Enlightened One
I’m not the one speculating on transfer portal strategies, I don’t have an answer to the question because I assume Hugh is trying to win games and failing. You speculate that Hugh is slow playing year 2 for some undefined future benefit. Now that’s truly enlightened thinking.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:27 pm to Cocotheape
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You speculate that Hugh is slow playing year 2 for some undefined future benefit.
incorrect. I speculated he sat on his hands in the portal as part of whatever process he wanted. frick off, weirdo.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:30 pm to Cocotheape
We do not have the benefit of not getting behind Freeze at this point. He has to get traction in the remaining games by playing the underclassmen in prep for next season. Recruit and portal shop like his job depends on it, bc it does. A firing now only sets the program on a continued losing trajectory
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:57 pm to jangalang
Buddy you troll this board day and night, you can frick off.
“He didn’t slow play year 2, he sat on his hands”, what a stupid little semantics game you are playing.
“He didn’t slow play year 2, he sat on his hands”, what a stupid little semantics game you are playing.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:59 pm to Luke
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We do not have the benefit of not getting behind Freeze at this point.
Hugh has to win or lose on his own, nothing anybody on this message board can do will save him from his own mistakes. Hope he turns it around, it’s a shorter path, but hope is not a strategy.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 12:52 am to Fearless_and_True
Guys, forget about the Xs and Os and the Jimmies/Joes etc. the whole vibe around this team is just off. They just have no mojo or drive to do a better job the next play. That’s the kind of thing that gets coaches fired when the locker room is lost and you can’t inspire them to do better. I still think the PTB gives him another year as should the fans. There’s got to be some serious overhaul in mindset to begin with and some pride in representing Auburn before making plays and winning games.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 1:07 am to LanierSpots
He has not had one yet. Losers lose. That is what you are going to get from Freeze. I don't like the man as a human being, and he is a worse coach. he is a disgrace to our university, and there is no, I mean no upside to him. He can recruit the best class in the nation, and we will lose with much better talent than the opponent. We can't keep changing coaches ever two years, so he will fill out his 4 years, maybe load the roster and we go get an actual coach.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:09 am to Cocotheape
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Buddy you troll this board day and night, you can frick off
I'm more of an Auburn fan than you crybabies that just want to complain about losing or how embarrassing we are. So frick off, "buddy!"
[quote]He didn’t slow play year 2, he sat on his hands”[/quote ]
Now you are putting quotations around a sentence that was never said as such. Typical trash .. He did in fact sit on his hands in the portal. Stop crying about a football game, tough guy! Let him get his three years.
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 7:12 am
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