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re: Dumbest post I will probably ever make
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:26 am to CorchJay
Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:26 am to CorchJay
Your post isn't dumb at all. As I have said before, I haven't been in the "promote Cadillac" camp particularly, but let me play devil's advocate for a minute. So, he doesn't have head coaching experience. But, what is that exactly? What is it we'd like him to go off and learn, about being a head coach?
Dude's been playing football his entire life, including in the League. He knows how the game itself works. He's been a position coach. He's now been an interim head coach.
I personally don't think that being a football coach is rocket science. I believe the majority of the success of the job comes down to the intangible, unknown factor of how you motivate your players. How you create and foster team chemistry. That chemistry is the deciding factor in why an otherwise good coach succeeds at one place but fails at another, and it's damn near impossible to predict. I believe it was that, more than pure coaching skill, that took us to a Natty in 2013-14. Caddy has that motivation aspect down. His players would run through a wall for him.
Let your coordinators do their jobs? Check.
Schmooze the boosters? I'm sure Caddy knows them all, already.
And don't sit here and tell me that a staff with Cadillac, Trovon, and Zac on it couldn't recruit. They can all relate to these kids, and their stories will "sell".
As I've said before, I take a proven, home-run hire over Cadillac 10/10 times. But who are we talking about, at this point? I take Cadillac over some no-name with no Auburn story every single time.
Dude's been playing football his entire life, including in the League. He knows how the game itself works. He's been a position coach. He's now been an interim head coach.
I personally don't think that being a football coach is rocket science. I believe the majority of the success of the job comes down to the intangible, unknown factor of how you motivate your players. How you create and foster team chemistry. That chemistry is the deciding factor in why an otherwise good coach succeeds at one place but fails at another, and it's damn near impossible to predict. I believe it was that, more than pure coaching skill, that took us to a Natty in 2013-14. Caddy has that motivation aspect down. His players would run through a wall for him.
Let your coordinators do their jobs? Check.
Schmooze the boosters? I'm sure Caddy knows them all, already.
And don't sit here and tell me that a staff with Cadillac, Trovon, and Zac on it couldn't recruit. They can all relate to these kids, and their stories will "sell".
As I've said before, I take a proven, home-run hire over Cadillac 10/10 times. But who are we talking about, at this point? I take Cadillac over some no-name with no Auburn story every single time.
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 9:56 am to CorchJay
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who is gonna flip the recruiting market on its head for AU vs Bama/UGA?
Will Caddy do that? He's been on this staff a couple years, what's his biggest get so far? Wasn't it Rodney Garner that got Tank?
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:05 am to CorchJay
There is no comparison between Dabo and Caddy. It’s immensely ignorant when people make that comparison.
Dabo coached under a national championship winning coach the first few years of his coaching career. Then coached under Tommy Bowden, while not his Daddy, a significantly better coach than tater tot his brother and our former coach.
Caddy has coached in a couple basically Jr high colleges for 1 season, IMG for 1 season, a failed professional league for a couple months, Gus Malzahn and Bryan Freaking Harsin.
Yeah Dabo was unqualified but he had coached under Gene Stallings.
Please show me the national championship winning coach Caddy coached under so he can know what coaching a championship team is like.
Just because he can handle the pressure of being an elite player and a good position coach does not mean he should even be considered for the Auburn job.
Dabo coached under a national championship winning coach the first few years of his coaching career. Then coached under Tommy Bowden, while not his Daddy, a significantly better coach than tater tot his brother and our former coach.
Caddy has coached in a couple basically Jr high colleges for 1 season, IMG for 1 season, a failed professional league for a couple months, Gus Malzahn and Bryan Freaking Harsin.
Yeah Dabo was unqualified but he had coached under Gene Stallings.
Please show me the national championship winning coach Caddy coached under so he can know what coaching a championship team is like.
Just because he can handle the pressure of being an elite player and a good position coach does not mean he should even be considered for the Auburn job.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:44 am to auburn2eugene
I don’t know if Caddy would improve recruiting over what Gus was recruiting at. I know any warm body would recruit better than Harsin.
We wouldn’t have to give a massive contract. 3m/5yrs with zero buyout after 3 years. Something like that. Pay both coordinators 2m a year. Pay your position coaches anywhere from 500k-1m per year. I think you could get a solid if not great staff with that kind of money and we would still come out better financially then if we had hired Kiffin.
I can’t remember who said it previously in the thread about letting the fanbase make hires. I agree we shouldn’t do that but if you want NIL to continue to grow you better have someone that at least the fans like because they are going to be the ones contributing to the collective. We don’t have major brands just beating down the door to line up to sponsors our program so if we do want to win in the NIL space we must have people that can raise money for it. It will become the deciding factor for most 4-5 star players.
Does anyone here really think Saban is the best X’s and O’s coach? So obviously that isn’t the main thing to winning. The main thing in winning is players and motivating those players day in and day out not just on game day.
I’m not saying it will even work out with Caddy. But I don’t know if it will work out with any particular coach. It’s a roll of the dice when it comes to the big programs.
We wouldn’t have to give a massive contract. 3m/5yrs with zero buyout after 3 years. Something like that. Pay both coordinators 2m a year. Pay your position coaches anywhere from 500k-1m per year. I think you could get a solid if not great staff with that kind of money and we would still come out better financially then if we had hired Kiffin.
I can’t remember who said it previously in the thread about letting the fanbase make hires. I agree we shouldn’t do that but if you want NIL to continue to grow you better have someone that at least the fans like because they are going to be the ones contributing to the collective. We don’t have major brands just beating down the door to line up to sponsors our program so if we do want to win in the NIL space we must have people that can raise money for it. It will become the deciding factor for most 4-5 star players.
Does anyone here really think Saban is the best X’s and O’s coach? So obviously that isn’t the main thing to winning. The main thing in winning is players and motivating those players day in and day out not just on game day.
I’m not saying it will even work out with Caddy. But I don’t know if it will work out with any particular coach. It’s a roll of the dice when it comes to the big programs.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:45 am to CorchJay
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Sorry for the long post like I said this isn’t an emotional plea or panic hire
This would absolutely be an emotional plea and a panic hire.
We are almost at panic hire point though unfortunately.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:49 am to ALhunter
Maybe for some but wouldn’t be from my thinking now. I mean sure if there were a sure fire homerun hire go for it.
Hell my first top 5 I put out had Mike Elko on it. I still think of the guys we could still possibly get he’s probably the best coach. But is he the best for the program?
Hell my first top 5 I put out had Mike Elko on it. I still think of the guys we could still possibly get he’s probably the best coach. But is he the best for the program?
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:51 am to CorchJay
quote:Saban isn't the best X's and O's coach. He is the best CEO coach who runs the thing like a business, which IMO is why having a coach with either head coaching experience or being the "right hand man" of a guy like that is important.
Does anyone here really think Saban is the best X’s and O’s coach?
I have a friend who worked within the Alabama staff. A couple actually but only one who I've spoken with in depth about it. He said the biggest thing with Saban is that the guy is always "ON" as if he's the CEO of a fortune 500 company. As he walks around campus he has a group of people following him around who he is directing at all times. Incredibly disciplined, structured, organized, and constantly getting shite done to improve the team.
Don't forget college also isn't the NFL... at the college level these are 18-20 year old kids who need discipline and structure built into their lives. Some NFL guys need it as well but not to the same extent as college where most of the team needs it.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 10:54 am to CorchJay
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Maybe for some but wouldn’t be from my thinking now. I mean sure if there were a sure fire homerun hire go for it.
Hell my first top 5 I put out had Mike Elko on it. I still think of the guys we could still possibly get he’s probably the best coach. But is he the best for the program?
It's really really unfortunate but I think we're starting to get to the point of making a desperation hire. We fired our coach mid season in order to avoid the situation we're in today.
It seems like we had Kiffin lined up and that got scuttled. Then the Freeze hire was blocked. In the interim all of the other top candidates were scooped up, of which there were about 3 guys. So to date we've probably missed or whiffed on ~5 top tier candidates.
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