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re: Coordinator’s/Position Coaches
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:59 am to metafour
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:59 am to metafour
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Am I the only one over here chuckling at the irony of the same fanbase which was amounting support for a guy who less than 4 years was coaching in HS to become the permanent HC (Carnell) all of a sudden having an issue with hiring a young, highly regarded position coach?
I already said I don’t speak for a fanbase. That should’ve been apparent when I got downvoted into oblivion when I said I didn’t understand the Caddilac hysteria. I even deleted my post just so yall could cry crocodile tears of joy. I know for a fact Jville and auburnnyc weren’t shilling for Caddy either.
Meta, you know how the world works in the SEC and you’ve seen great DL coaches (Garner, Eason) and mediocre DL coaches and their effect on the DL. If you’re comfortable saying Garrett is a strong hire based on nothing then that’s your opinion and you’re going to live with it.
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 10:04 am
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Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:00 am to Weagle25
The next thing you're going to tell me is people had to google the IHOP menu to know they served seafood?
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 10:00 am
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:05 am to jangalang
The conversation around the DL hire has been pretty mild. Kinda surprised people feel so attached to him already though.
I like his potential. Just wished we had a splashier hire there. Can’t always get what ya want, though
I like his potential. Just wished we had a splashier hire there. Can’t always get what ya want, though
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:06 am to PJinAtl
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Sons of Liberty?
<3
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:06 am to TheJones
I think it’s just typical new coach can do no wrong type thing.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:09 am to Weagle25
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I really don’t understand why everyone’s so defensive over this.
Some around here think we have to lament this as a great hire right away when it’s a simple fact that it’s not a home run hire. Because home run hires are hires where it’s a well established/well known coach that’s already proven.
This guy isn’t proven but yes he could turn out to be a good coach. Who knows though? No one.
That's fine, but every staff should generally have a mix of veteran "tenured" coaches and young upstarts who are "rising stars". This isn't a novel idea at all.
It is 100% silly to assume that someone needs to be immediately known in order to be able to recruit. This doesn't correlate with actual observable results at all. I can very easily point out several examples.
It's interesting that the immediate response to potentially hiring a very obviously regarded young position coach is to assume that he can't recruit or that he's not splashy enough.
I would also push back and state that a "home run hire" isn't only relegated to a splashy hire. Derek Mason was a "home run hire", now you all make fun of him. So which is it?
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:11 am to Weagle25
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I think it’s just typical new coach can do no wrong type thing.
shite, I will not be attached to anyone until they perform at a high level. I learned my lesson. Several times over.
However, Freeze will hire who he feels will help him win and I am not going to bitch about and pick apart each hire. Part of me has to believe the man didn't work to get another job like this just to fill spots with shitty coaches, but sometimes hires just don't work out to no fault of your own and sometimes loyalty can bite you in the arse.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:16 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
All you guys do remember regardless of how you feel about the hires and the firing of defensive coaches is from the worst defense in Auburn history, correct?
How many 40+ pts games did we give up this year?
How many 40+ pts games did we give up this year?
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:17 am to Beachbum87
Great D lines are based 90% on talent, and talent acquisition involves the whole staff.
Or give some of examples of SEC great D lines that have been "coached up." (and don't have premium talent). LOL.
Or give some of examples of SEC great D lines that have been "coached up." (and don't have premium talent). LOL.
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 10:20 am
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:20 am to metafour
We are not assuming he cannot recruit. We just don’t know if he can.
In that same vein I’m not assuming he was directly responsible for the Liberty DL’s successes. He has a player with 8 sacks this year that had 8 sacks as a freshman. A DT that accumulated 5 sacks last year. Their DL group includes Auburn’s Jay Hardy and Dre Butler. They have great depth for their program. Still, he is an unknown.
I get that Freeze wants his guy but come on, that doesn’t mean I have to like his guy.
In that same vein I’m not assuming he was directly responsible for the Liberty DL’s successes. He has a player with 8 sacks this year that had 8 sacks as a freshman. A DT that accumulated 5 sacks last year. Their DL group includes Auburn’s Jay Hardy and Dre Butler. They have great depth for their program. Still, he is an unknown.
I get that Freeze wants his guy but come on, that doesn’t mean I have to like his guy.
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 10:22 am
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:21 am to jangalang
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Meta, you know how the world works in the SEC and you’ve seen great DL coaches (Garner, Eason) and mediocre DL coaches and their effect on the DL. If you’re comfortable saying Garrett is a strong hire based on nothing then that’s your opinion and you’re going to live with it.
But it's not based on nothing. The coach in question is very well regarded among the coaching profession. Your HC, who has coached in the SEC before, should have an idea of what an "SEC DL Coach" looks like, no? The fact that he is immediately bringing him over should tell you something about how he feels about him. And I'd like to remind you that Freeze got in trouble for aggressive recruiting...but now he doesn't know how to evaluate who can or can't recruit in the SEC?
You know what isn't based on anything? The position that he can't recruit or that he's not good enough because you, a regular fan who probably can only name 5-10 DL coaches in the entire country, don't immediately know who he is. That is basically the crux of any complaint over this.
That really isn't meant to be a shot at you or anyone else on here, but it's beyond ridiculous for the same fans who can literally only name fricking WILL MUSCHAMP any time we're in need of hiring a DC to pretend like they know anything about who should or shouldn't be hired. Yes, Auburn should just recycle the same 5-6 coaches that everyone knows (Muschamp, Garner, etc.) and call it a day.
Someone compared this to Bryan Harsin's coaching hires and that just illustrates how baseless and out to lunch these complaints are. This guy played in the SEC at Ole Miss and was a HS HC in Tennessee. He also spent a year on staff at Vanderbilt. He knows the region and this conference.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:27 am to metafour
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That's fine, but every staff should generally have a mix of veteran "tenured" coaches and young upstarts who are "rising stars". This isn't a novel idea at all.
Didn’t say it was
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It is 100% silly to assume that someone needs to be immediately known in order to be able to recruit. This doesn't correlate with actual observable results at all. I can very easily point out several examples.
Never argued this. I said we don’t know if he can recruit or not because he’s only been at Liberty. Then someone came back with well he’s got NFL experience so that will make him a good recruiter. Then I laughed at that because he was a freaking assistant DL coach. Not a DL coach. And having NFL experience doesn’t make you a good recruiter.
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It's interesting that the immediate response to potentially hiring a very obviously regarded young position coach is to assume that he can't recruit or that he's not splashy enough.
My initial stance that started all this is he’s a wait and see hire. He could be a great hire but there’s nothing out there yet that tells me he is yet
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I would also push back and state that a "home run hire" isn't only relegated to a splashy hire. Derek Mason was a "home run hire", now you all make fun of him. So which is it?
You’re taking the entire fanbases’ opinion and making it mine and trying to get me to counter it? I’m not biting on that.
I don’t think Mason is nearly as bad as people make him out to be. I wasn’t on the hire Cadillac train. In fact I was dead set against it. The portion of the fanbase you’re referencing in these arguments and trying to get me to defend are probably the same people I’m having to argue with that every coach Hugh Freeze hires right now isn’t necessarily a great hire.
I would also argue that Mason wasn’t a home run hire at the time. Everybody kinda had mixed feelings on the hire.
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 10:30 am
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:28 am to metafour
You’re going to be typing a lot of words the next few days if you’re going to have a panic attack about average fans giving opinions on a message board designed to do exactly that
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:28 am to metafour
You can call him a rising star if you want to but I think you’re using that phrase too loosely. Was he coveted? Did he leave a big impact everywhere while rising up the ladder? Yeah he was HC of HS one year. He went 7-5. He then became a defensive quality control assistant at Vanderbilt. And then he went to Liberty.
That kind of resume is far more inferior than most of our recent DL hires. He is the outhouse to Garner’s Penthouse.
That kind of resume is far more inferior than most of our recent DL hires. He is the outhouse to Garner’s Penthouse.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:33 am to metafour
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Someone compared this to Bryan Harsin's coaching hires and that just illustrates how baseless and out to lunch these complaints are.
You talking about my potato gang joke?
That wasn’t really a complaint. Just referencing how everyone hated that Harsin brought the potato gang with him and then Freeze’s first real hire is also a coach from his last tenure.
I really don’t think anyone in here has complained about the hire which is why it’s so weird to me that people are being so defensive.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:36 am to jangalang
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You can call him a rising star if you want to but I think you’re using that phrase too loosely. Was he coveted? Did he leave a big impact everywhere while rising up the ladder? Yeah he was HC of HS one year. He went 7-5. He then became a defensive quality control assistant at Vanderbilt. And then he went to Liberty.
That kind of resume is far more inferior than most of our recent DL hires. He is the outhouse to Garner’s Penthouse.
Funny, you left out the part where he went from Defensive Quality Control to Assistant DL coach in the NFL after ONE season.
You can make jokes all you want about it only being an "Assistant" position; the NFL doesn't hire just anyone and there are hundreds of NCAA coaches available for them to pick from. So from coaching HS to the NFL in two seasons - sounds like he was pretty coveted to me.
This guy was very highly regarded by Chris Kiffin; who was a GA at Ole Miss while he was a player there. Kiffin was obviously the one who helped launch him into the NFL.
Also, if you look at Chris Kiffin's resume before Freeze hired him at Ole Miss, it looks eerily similar. He spent one season under Freeze at Arkansas State and otherwise just had GA or QC experience. Freeze brought him over anyway and made him the DL coach and Recruiting Coordinator. This guy actually has more experience having been in the NFL for two seasons already.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:38 am to Weagle25
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That wasn’t really a complaint. Just referencing how everyone hated that Harsin brought the potato gang with him and then Freeze’s first real hire is also a coach from his last tenure.
Can you name me one example of someone who took a new job, and didn't bring a single coach over with him?
Statements like this are presented as if this is supposed to be abnormal practice.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:38 am to Weagle25
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Just referencing how everyone hated that Harsin brought the potato gang with him and then Freeze’s first real hire is also a coach from his last tenure.
It's interesting how some coaches bring a whole crew from their last stop, and others start fresh.
Harsin brought a lot of the Boise folks; Tubs brought a lot of Ole Miss folks.
Chiz and Gus created whole new staffs.
Bowden kept a lot of Dye's staff intact.
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 10:39 am
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:38 am to metafour
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Can you name me one example of someone who took a new job, and didn't bring a single coach over with him?
I think Tuberville pretty much brought his whole staff.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:42 am to metafour
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Funny, you left out the part where he went from Defensive Quality Control to Assistant DL coach in the NFL after ONE season.
You can make jokes all you want about it only being an "Assistant" position; the NFL doesn't hire just anyone and there are hundreds of NCAA coaches available for them to pick from. So from coaching HS to the NFL in two seasons - sounds like he was pretty coveted to me.
I forgot to include his stint in becoming the Dwight Schrute to DL coach. And I don’t know why he landed there or what had to happen for that hire to take place. You’re a better poster when you’re connecting dots.
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This guy was very highly regarded by Chris Kiffin; who was a GA at Ole Miss while he was a player there. Kiffin was obviously the one who helped launch him into the NFL.
Now this makes sense. Kiffin may have pitched in a favor for him.
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Also, if you look at Chris Kiffin's resume before Freeze hired him at Ole Miss, it looks eerily similar. He spent one season under Freeze at Arkansas State and otherwise just had GA or QC experience. Freeze brought him over anyway and made him the DL coach and Recruiting Coordinator. This guy actually has more experience having been in the NFL for two seasons already.
Just to be clear, I’d rather have Kiffin as DL coach. That is the recruiting star power and real NFL coaching experience that I seek
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 10:44 am
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