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Posted on 9/29/25 at 10:50 am to FearlessFreep
Posted on 9/29/25 at 10:50 am to FearlessFreep
Attrition will make the job less attractive if we keep Freeze through next year. I am waiting any day now to lose the committed 5* WR which will probably put our recruiting class back into the 40's.
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Posted on 9/29/25 at 10:55 am to FearlessFreep
You keep Freeze till 2027 and you're looking at an empty stadium. Period. Aint nobody signing up to play in front of a half-full stadium and ruining any NFL aspirations they may have by subjugating themselves to this offense. Players can get NIL money elsewhere, you seem to have forgotten this. You think that Cam Coleman is happy with his NFL game-tape of 8 targets resulting in 19 yards, or whatever the result was in that A&M game? He could be getting paid elsewhere and actually building a resume that will result in him earning even more money in the NFL.
These takes are borderline insane.
I love how we still have fans who are seemingly penny-pinching these buyouts as if its their money. Freeze's ~$16.25 million buyout is nothing. You don't save any money by keeping him, because you still need to pay him his escalating near $7M annual salary in future years.
This shouldn't be difficult to understand: if you keep him and he inevitably fails to produce as he has done the entire time he has been here, you lose the fanbase and therefore lose MILLIONS in revenues and everything else that comes with turning into a laughing stock (like those infamous photos a few years ago with Miami playing at home in front of nobody).
Nobody is going to laugh at you because you fired a coach who couldn't win more than 6 games despite fielding elite talent. I promise.
These takes are borderline insane.
I love how we still have fans who are seemingly penny-pinching these buyouts as if its their money. Freeze's ~$16.25 million buyout is nothing. You don't save any money by keeping him, because you still need to pay him his escalating near $7M annual salary in future years.
This shouldn't be difficult to understand: if you keep him and he inevitably fails to produce as he has done the entire time he has been here, you lose the fanbase and therefore lose MILLIONS in revenues and everything else that comes with turning into a laughing stock (like those infamous photos a few years ago with Miami playing at home in front of nobody).
Nobody is going to laugh at you because you fired a coach who couldn't win more than 6 games despite fielding elite talent. I promise.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 10:56 am to FearlessFreep
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you know, i’m starting to come around to your way of thinking keep Freezus at least through the end of 2027 when his buyout falls below his salary for the next season, no matter what happens keep throwing money at NIL regardless of ROI thats the only way AU can prove that they’re serious enough to attract a good HC next time around
I might push it up a year, but I agree that it shouldn’t be rushed.
If you want a self-respecting coach you need to make this job appear to be a place where said self-respecting coach can succeed.
Otherwise you’re stuck with guys like Harsin and Freeze, who weren’t exactly the most in-demand.
At a certain point this athletics department and set of boosters are the common denominator.
Props to the fans for showing up consistently. I think that’s one of AU’s greatest selling points compared to some of our rivals.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 10:57 am to AUTubaHerd
quote:Coach Lashlee, come on down!
At a certain point this athletics department and set of boosters are the common denominator.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:03 am to greygoose
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Coach Lashlee, come on down!
Yeah, the fact it has to be someone the boosters know and like is a real millstone around AU’s neck.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:04 am to AUTubaHerd
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If you want a self-respecting coach you need to make this job appear to be a place where said self-respecting coach can succeed.
Name me one self-respecting coach who sees the following as a non-fireable resume at an SEC program where tens of millions of dollars are provided to the head coach to produce results:
6-7
5-7 (GOT WORSE IN YEAR 2!!)
6-7 (or whatever we are currently on pace for this year given how bad we look on offense)
With all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about. There isn't a head coach worth a shite who wouldn't expect to be fired given those results AND the talent that he has on the roster. For fricks sake, our defense is so strong that literally vanilla-bean AVERAGE production on offense is good enough to have won these games. And we can't do it.
And dont you dare try to argue that Freeze isn't being provided what is required to succeed. That is beyond insulting. This bozo has been able to buy whatever player he has wanted. We have "out-recruited" (ie: OUT PAID) an elite program at Alabama that was actually winning games and titles, and you're here trying to now spin it as if he needs MORE to succeed?? DJ Durkin is the second highest paid assistant in the entire country.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 11:08 am
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:10 am to AUTiger789
circling back to some other posts ITT:
in year 2, in addition to losing to #10 Florida twice (once in the SECCG), #24 MSU, and #11 Michigan in the Gator Bowl, AU beat every other team they played - including #20 UGa and #21 LSU (coached by a guy named Saban)
in contrast, AU in year 2 under Freezus not only lost to the only three teams they faced who made the final AP poll (funny how you claimed that the SIX games against ranked opponents Tubs faced in ‘00 was “ridiculously easy” in comparison), he lost to FOUR teams that finished 6-6.
in fact, through his first two complete seasons, Tubs was 7-10 against teams who finished the regular season .500 or better
Freezus was 2-14
in games against teams ranked in the final AP poll, Tubs was 3-10
Freezus was 0-7
quote:didn’t realize the AP poll only went to 19 in 2000, so i looked it up
While the record improved in Year 2, it was mostly due to an insanely easy schedule relative today…. Culminating in getting to play a 3-8 Alabama team at the end of the regular season.
In 2000, despite the turnaround in record, Auburn was 0-3 against teams that finished in the final AP Top 19… losing by an average of 22 points a game.
in year 2, in addition to losing to #10 Florida twice (once in the SECCG), #24 MSU, and #11 Michigan in the Gator Bowl, AU beat every other team they played - including #20 UGa and #21 LSU (coached by a guy named Saban)
in contrast, AU in year 2 under Freezus not only lost to the only three teams they faced who made the final AP poll (funny how you claimed that the SIX games against ranked opponents Tubs faced in ‘00 was “ridiculously easy” in comparison), he lost to FOUR teams that finished 6-6.
in fact, through his first two complete seasons, Tubs was 7-10 against teams who finished the regular season .500 or better
Freezus was 2-14
in games against teams ranked in the final AP poll, Tubs was 3-10
Freezus was 0-7
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 11:23 am
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:14 am to metafour
Correct on so many levels.
1. People are over estimating how highly coaches care that the previous one failed. Coaches might get scared off if Auburn isnt giving the coaches a fair shake in the ordeal, but for Freeze he has gotten everything he wanted. Hell he has all the boosters in his boat.
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The games were winnable because of Durkin alone. Freeze and his shitstain offense is why we are not winning games. Mike Bobo would have gotten us a win out out of these games at least.
3-28 on third down conversions.
17 of those conversions the third down was 3rd and 9 or higher. That means first down, second down, and third down are all not working.
Durkin is too nice with psychopath smile but he should kick Freeze in the nuts and say I only did that because you are my friend and you are headed down the wrong path.
1. People are over estimating how highly coaches care that the previous one failed. Coaches might get scared off if Auburn isnt giving the coaches a fair shake in the ordeal, but for Freeze he has gotten everything he wanted. Hell he has all the boosters in his boat.
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For fricks sake, our defense is so strong that literally vanilla-bean AVERAGE production on offense is good enough to have won these games.
The games were winnable because of Durkin alone. Freeze and his shitstain offense is why we are not winning games. Mike Bobo would have gotten us a win out out of these games at least.
3-28 on third down conversions.
17 of those conversions the third down was 3rd and 9 or higher. That means first down, second down, and third down are all not working.
Durkin is too nice with psychopath smile but he should kick Freeze in the nuts and say I only did that because you are my friend and you are headed down the wrong path.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:16 am to FearlessFreep
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in fact, through his first two complete seasons, Tubs was 7-10 against teams who finished the regular season .500 or better
Freezus was 2-14
Dont get caught shilling to keep Freeze until 2028 and I wont consider you a closet freeze fan. Deal?
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:19 am to metafour
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And dont you dare try to argue that Freeze isn't being provided what is required to succeed. That is beyond insulting. This bozo has been able to buy whatever player he has wanted.
You make a good point about the record, but it still doesn’t really address my point.
If potential replacement head coaches perceive the AU athletics department and its boosters to be a mess, then perception is reality, whether justified or not.
I guess we’ll see either way, but I sure hope we don’t end up in another situation where all the big fish are spooked.
And if anything they’d be spooked about issues with the athletics department that predated Freeze and will be there after Freeze.
With respect to paying players, we have a lot of really highly paid players who can’t handle a snap count or run the right route. I’m sure a lot of that falls on coaching, but at a certain point paid players need to take accountability and do their jobs.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:22 am to jangalang
quote:my post was intended to be ironic, in light of 789’s pleading for “patience”
Dont get caught shilling to keep Freeze until 2028 and I wont consider you a closet freeze fan. Deal?
we good, my brAUther
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:23 am to AUTubaHerd
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potential replacement head coaches perceive the AU athletics department and its boosters to be a mess, then perception is reality, whether justified or not. I guess we’ll see either way, but I sure hope we don’t end up in another situation where all the big fish are spooked.
Big alpha fish don’t get spooked.
Sports mediots “Auburn is an impossible job. Blah, blah, blah.”
Alpha carries his balls around in a wheelbarrow coach:
“Hell, I can win a college football playoff there. frick being scared of a storm- I AM THE STORM!”
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:26 am to AUTubaHerd
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If potential replacement head coaches perceive the AU athletics department and its boosters to be a mess, then perception is reality, whether justified or not.
The perception is not there in the slighest.
:Take a look at the offseason headlines:
- OL shored up
- Jackson Arnold and Stanford QB brought on board
-2 receivers making over a million dollars
These headlines suggest Freeze was given the players he wanted to compete this year and his resources came through for him.
Coaches are not going to see a mess in the AD; they are going to see the mess that Freeze is running out on offense.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:28 am to FearlessFreep
quote:I was getting kinda worried for a minute.
my post was intended to be ironic, in light of 789’s pleading for “patience”
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:31 am to greygoose
quote:agree to disagree
Freeze wasn't the first choice, but he was (on paper) the best guy we could get.
i contend that Cohen was allowed to give Kiffin whatever he wanted, and he turned us down
the big money guys who think they know football said, “ok, we tried it your way, now hire Freezus like we wanted to in 2020”
outside of a token interview with Caddy, no one else was ever seriously considered
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:33 am to jangalang
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These headlines suggest Freeze was given the players he wanted to compete this year and his resources came through for him.
Those are good points. It’s an Athletics Department that can and will throw money at players, but the same arguments applied when they fired Gus and when they fired Harsin.
If they screw up the same way for the third time in a row, then AU has issues beyond the football coach.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:38 am to AUTubaHerd
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If they screw up the same way for the third time in a row, then AU has issues beyond the football coach.
I've already made a post about this. Teams whiffing on a string of head coaches is more common than you think. Florida is literally in the midst of their own run post-Urban Meyer. Tennessee was there before they landed Heupel.
This is not some insurmountable event that you can't overcome. Yes, AU's leadership has ultimately failed badly in recent history. As a fan, all you can hope for is that they keep reloading and shooting until they hit.
This whole sad-sack narrative of "well we shouldn't fire a bad and horrendously failing coach because they'll just hire another failure" is so pathetic its not even funny. LOTS of schools have been in the position that we are in. Literally all it takes is one good hire.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:53 am to metafour
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This whole sad-sack narrative of "well we shouldn't fire a bad and horrendously failing coach because they'll just hire another failure" is so pathetic its not even funny. LOTS of schools have been in the position that we are in. Literally all it takes is one good hire.
I am thankful that if we have to fire a coach eventually, at least Harsin and Freeze have sucked bad from the get go. Don't have to wait too long to start over. We would be worse off if they were going a mix of 7-5, 8-4, 6-6 and just dragging it out like 5 or 6 years before enough is enough. That happened with UT and Butch Jones where he was 5-7, 7-6, 9-4, 9-4, 4-6. They would have been better off finding out he sucked in year 2 or 3 but those 3rd and 4th years gave them hope and just dragged it out longer. It can hurt as far as buyout money, but I'm not paying it so I don't care.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:51 pm to FearlessFreep
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i contend that Cohen was allowed to give Kiffin whatever he wanted, and he turned us down the big money guys who think they know football said, “ok, we tried it your way, now hire Freezus like we wanted to in 2020” outside of a token interview with Caddy, no one else was ever seriously considered
100% this is what happened. They didn’t even try to vet anyone else.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:52 pm to jvilletiger25
Cohen had a 63 point plan
(Your) Wrong!!!!!!!!!
(Your) Wrong!!!!!!!!!
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