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Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:09 pm to IAmNERD
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:09 pm to IAmNERD
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Nice strawman, because I haven't seen anyone claiming that.
WTF. My comment is no strawman. I literally replied to this comment by IamNERD that tried to compare their overall records.
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Freeze currently has a winning percentage that is one point better than Harsin. 44% to 43%...still under .500.
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:11 pm to AUTiger789
Well you pretended there has been on the field improvement from the Harsin days to this year.
Own it
Own it
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:16 pm to IAmNERD
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You can go all the way back to Shug and find exactly one coach that that didn't coach into their 4th year. That's Harsin.
Yes that’s my point. Auburn firing Harsin with multiple games left during just his 2nd season is completely unprecedented. Not just for Auburn… but in all of CFB. That almost never happens.
This is my point. If you’ve already pulled that card once, you absolutely can’t do it again after just 2.5 seasons. You are asking to never hire anyone decent ever again if you do that. No sane person would ever even interview for the job.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:21 pm to AUTiger789
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This is my point. If you’ve already pulled that card once, you absolutely can’t do it again after just 2.5 seasons.
Joe Mooorhead and Zac Arnett's former school says hi.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:25 pm to jangalang
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Well you pretended there has been on the field improvement from the Harsin days to this year.
There has been! Harsin’s 2022 team would not have won at Baylor. They were not playing to within 7 points of Top 10 opponents. Auburn played three opponents in 2022 that finished in the Top 10 and lost by 22, 29, and 32 points!
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Own it
I do! That’s my point. No one can claim that this team is worse than the last AU team before Freeze inherited the program… not if they are honest. This program has improved since 2022. There is honestly no arguing that it hasn’t.
Is the pace of improvement slow? Sure. Are there issues that need to be worked out on offense? Sure. But all you people claiming it’s worse now are not being honest.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:29 pm to AUTiger789
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There has been! Harsin’s 2022 team would not have won at Baylor. T
That one game is apparently an aberration and an outlier. The schematics Freeze did well in Waco he left them there. You just can't trust Freeze to be a solid coach.
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Auburn played three opponents in 2022 that finished in the Top 10 and lost by 22, 29, and 32 points!
Losses are still losses. I am guessing some of these are Coach Caddy games as well.
This post was edited on 9/28/25 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:29 pm to AUTiger789
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You are asking to never hire anyone decent ever again if you do that. No sane person would ever even interview for the job.
As if anyone knows who will actually turn out to be decent.
As if a candidate is going to say "auburn waited 4 years instead of firing after 3 - I will now give them a look"
If you think Freeze is not the guy, waiting only hurts Auburn.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:30 pm to jangalang
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Joe Mooorhead and Zac Arnett's former school says hi.
You just going to act like MSU didn’t have a successful coach literally die in between these coaches?
These examples y’all are coming with are stupid at best, dishonest at worst.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:33 pm to AUTiger789
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You just going to act like MSU didn’t have a successful coach literally die in between these coaches?
Moorhead was before Leach, weirdo. Leach's death has nothing to do with Moorhead's hiring/firing or Arnettt's firing
#dishonest
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:36 pm to pdfield34
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As if a candidate is going to say "auburn waited 4 years instead of firing after 3 - I will now give them a look"
Brent Venebles almost took the job but didn’t because multiple people he was close to reached out to him to warn him to not take the Auburn job because AU will literally fire you in no time if you aren’t winning titles.
News flash: We already have that reputation.
When we fired Harsin, everyone was thinking we’d land Christobal, Napier, Venebles, etc. Turns out, all those guys turned us down or flat out refused to even be interviewed.
There was slim pickens for options… which is why we hired Freeze. We literally had no better options.
Yall think firing another coach after just 2.5 seasons is going to help our reputation?
This post was edited on 9/28/25 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:37 pm to AUTiger789
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You are asking to never hire anyone decent ever again if you do that. No sane person would ever even interview for the job.
Clueless idiots go to this patently false statement every time its time to fire a horrible performing head coach. It is incredibly inaccurate, and has been proven to not be reality by a million other coaching searches.
1) Every coach in the country with working eyes can see that Auburn's wins do not match up with their talent on the roster. This means that firing the coach would be clearly in line with normal and expected procedure for any serious football program.
2) Any coach worth a shite is seeing the talent on the field, and believes without a shadow of a doubt that they would be 5-0 right now and not 3-2 had they been coaching it.
3) Every coach in this business understands that if you aren't winning in year 3, you are on a game-to-game hot seat. This is how every single SEC team operates except maybe Vandy.
This entire premise that football coaches are supposedly complete pussies and expect that they will get 4-5 years of failure after failure at whatever school they are employed at is complete nonsense. They do NOT operate in this fashion.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:37 pm to AUTiger789
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WTF. My comment is no strawman. I literally replied to this comment by IamNERD that tried to compare their overall records.
I mean, the quoted part of my reply was concerning you saying the talent level of Harsin and Freeze isnt the same and no one is claiming they were.
You're trying to argue with so many people at one time you cant keep track of what's going on.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:38 pm to jangalang
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Moorhead was before Leach, weirdo. Leach's death has nothing to do with Moorhead's hiring/firing or Arnettt's firing
Exactly. So it is absolutely NOT an example of a school firing two consecutive coaches in short order for performance. Thats what I’m saying.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:44 pm to AUTiger789
quote:Both coaches were fired within two years for better coaches (Leach, Lebby)
Exactly. So it is absolutely NOT an example of a school firing two consecutive coaches in short order for performance. Thats what I’m saying.
Neither Leach nor Lebby were scared off by quick trigger
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:46 pm to metafour
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This means that firing the coach would be clearly in line with normal and expected procedure for any serious football program.
Great. Then you should be able to provide numerous examples of schools firing two consecutive coaches, giving each of them less than 3 full seasons.
So who are these examples?
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2) Any coach worth a shite is seeing the talent on the field, and believes without a shadow of a doubt that they would be 5-0 right now and not 3-2 had they been coaching it.
So which coaches are saying, “I’d easily have beaten Oklahoma at OU and then followed that up a week later and beat A&M in College Station?” Who is saying this?
Marcus Freeman? Nope sorry. He lost at home to Aggie.
Michigan’s coach? Nope. He lost worse at OU?
Get the F out of here. No coach is saying they’d easily be 5-0 had they been at Auburn this year.
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3) Every coach in this business understands that if you aren't winning in year 3, you are on a game-to-game hot seat. This is how every single SEC team operates except maybe Vandy.
Okay. List the coaches in the SEC that have failed to reach the end of their second season due to performance. The list is short. But if you are right, there should be a very long list.
Name them.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:48 pm to jangalang
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Neither Leach nor Lebby were scared off by quick trigger
They weren’t consecutive though. And Arnet was basically an interim type situation following a death of a coach.
This is not the same as an AD actively bringing in a new coach and then firing him after just two years. Arnet was given a shot only because of Leach’s death. That’s not at all the same.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:57 pm to AUTiger789
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They weren’t consecutive though.
Two quick triggers within 5 years is not nothing.
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And Arnet was basically an interim type situation following a death of a coach.
He wasn't an interim.
Neither was Moorhead. Neither got 4 years
Posted on 9/28/25 at 5:59 pm to FlyDownTheField
Who we getting in the hot tub with this time?
Brent Key might be worth an interview.
Brent Key might be worth an interview.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 6:00 pm to AUTiger789
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This is not the same as an AD actively bringing in a new coach and then firing him after just two years.
John Cohen did exactly this with Moorhead. Stop lying.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 6:01 pm to AUTiger789
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You just going to act like MSU didn’t have a successful coach literally die in between these coaches?
And it threw their program into absolute chaos.
And now they look to be better than Auburn in the same time frame.
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