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Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:45 am to jangalang
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:20 am to pdfield34
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Only in football though - they know what they are doing in basketball
They made one good hire. Oh and the guy that brought him in, they fired him.
Other than Bruce Pearl, you were left with shite basketball coaches.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:03 am to LanierSpots
And our current basketball situation will soon be told… AU athletics are the lowest I’ve ever witnessed
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:04 am to Luke
I think the issue is the good coaches turned us down because we're toxic. I think Sark probably did, Venables, Kiffin. They probably all turned us down We're going to have to get someone young and dumb who thinks they can conquer the world and hope for the best.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:10 am to AUtigR24
Also reasonably they knew what our roster looked like. The shitshow that was our AD/boosters didn’t help either, but they knew the state of the program too. Since day one Hugh was going to be a hire we either help get our roster in better shape for the next guy or he somehow figures it out. Doesn’t look like he will be figuring it out.
Who we move onto though, no idea. Please not Lashlee. I want out of this system so bad
Who we move onto though, no idea. Please not Lashlee. I want out of this system so bad
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:54 am to AU86
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I agree but the money men wanted Freeze this time.
They were expecting a Bruce Pearl 2.0 hire.
Instead we got Charlie Weis at ND 2.0
Posted on 10/13/25 at 11:03 am to AUtigR24
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I think the issue is the good coaches turned us down because we're toxic. I think Sark probably did, Venables, Kiffin. They probably all turned us down We're going to have to get someone young and dumb who thinks they can conquer the world and hope for the best.
All this, 10,000 percent
Posted on 10/13/25 at 11:24 am to LanierSpots
It would be interesting to sit in on these meetings. It seems that people only look at simple things. For instance, when hiring either Harsin or Freeze, it seems that the selection folks never looked at their backgrounds. What they had built. Was their past success a result of having inheriting a good program with things in place or taking a struggling organization and turning it into something. It seems like they don't here. Auburn has an issue of people wanting to meddle like they are Jerry Jones of the Cowboys. I had some insight into Tuberville era for a couple of the early years.
We really need to find someone who has built something to be the coach. I keep hearing of the same recycled names and cringe because yeah we will try and go there. Then won't understand how they underperform, but never look at the whole picture. They never really performed all that well at their last place....they just beat this or that team a couple of times. Meanwhile some of the coaches that we could have gotten have gone on to do very well at other places.
We really need to find someone who has built something to be the coach. I keep hearing of the same recycled names and cringe because yeah we will try and go there. Then won't understand how they underperform, but never look at the whole picture. They never really performed all that well at their last place....they just beat this or that team a couple of times. Meanwhile some of the coaches that we could have gotten have gone on to do very well at other places.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 11:37 am to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:was our roster worse than Indiana’s when they hired Cignetti?
Also reasonably they knew what our roster looked like.
this simply isnt an issue anymore
Posted on 10/13/25 at 11:44 am to FearlessFreep
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this simply isnt an issue anymore
It is very much an issue when trying to lure coaches away from somewhere. I also didn't say it was THE issue, I said it was also probably part of why the coaches listed turned us down, in addition to our AD/Booster issues.
I like Cignetti, but i'd also love to play the schedule they've been able to play. They've played 3 ranked teams in a year and a half under him, excluding their bowl game. Some coaches are fine doing a full rebuild, some aren't. With what we have to face every year, that is going to be something some coaches just didn't want to attempt at that time. Not sure why that is a controversial opinion at this point
Posted on 10/13/25 at 11:49 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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It is very much an issue when trying to lure coaches away from somewhere. I also didn't say it was THE issue, I said it was also probably part of why the coaches listed turned us down, in addition to our AD/Booster issues.
When we hired Harsin, we had a top 20 roster. Easily if not higher.
Plus, with todays NIL and transfer portal, a team can be purchased fairly quickly if a coach can coach them. You dont need 4 years to build a program. Its being done all over.
What is happening right now is that Auburn is being punished by its history and past transgressions. It is being punished by capable coaches passing on them because of the fear of the meddling that goes on at Auburn athletics.
It is a toxic place and good, capable people know it.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 11:55 am to LanierSpots
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When we hired Harsin, we had a top 20 roster. Easily if not higher.
I agree, he decimated it.
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Plus, with todays NIL and transfer portal, a team can be purchased fairly quickly if a coach can coach them. You dont need 4 years to build a program. Its being done all over.
Also agree. I did not say it can't be overcome.
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It is a toxic place and good, capable people know it.
Where did I say otherwise? Merely adding on to 24's post. The AD issues mixed with the overall state of the program made us completely undesirable.
This post was edited on 10/13/25 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 10/13/25 at 11:58 am to Luke
I’ve said it many times and I’ll say it once again:
Our football passed away alongside Pat Dye
He saved our program and now that he has passed on, there is nobody “MAN ENOUGH” to save it at the moment.
The weird and wild stuff that has happened to our football program is Pat Dye literally rolling over in his grave at just how mentally soft our administration is after his pupil Jay Jacobs moved on.
Our football passed away alongside Pat Dye
He saved our program and now that he has passed on, there is nobody “MAN ENOUGH” to save it at the moment.
The weird and wild stuff that has happened to our football program is Pat Dye literally rolling over in his grave at just how mentally soft our administration is after his pupil Jay Jacobs moved on.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 12:05 pm to Hussss
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He saved our program and now that he has passed on, there is nobody “MAN ENOUGH” to save it at the moment.
Most of the coaches I can think of who were similarly man enough aren’t doing so well either.
Saban ditched out. Franklin got fired after his team quit on him. Kirby’s teams are nowhere near as tough as they were.
A lot of the issues are that coaches can’t actually coach without all their depth transferring out.
I think AU picked the absolute worst time to start a coaching carousel.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 12:08 pm to AUTubaHerd
I don’t disagree one bit
Now that great college talent is crowned before a collegiate snap of the ball alongside 7 digit bank accounts it is a MUCH tougher row to hoe.
Now that great college talent is crowned before a collegiate snap of the ball alongside 7 digit bank accounts it is a MUCH tougher row to hoe.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 12:22 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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It is very much an issue when trying to lure coaches away from somewhere.
With the portal & NIL
Take a look at his roster there at Indiana, he brought a ton of players he had at JMU in his first year. Hit the portal hard, got QBs that fit the RPO offense. If a coach is afraid of coming to a school because he has to build a team then do you really want them? With the portal he can bring almost his entire team if he wants to...So again, I call your position on this part of your argument
Posted on 10/13/25 at 12:57 pm to Luke
Haven’t been around long have you?
Posted on 10/13/25 at 1:39 pm to 88TIger
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ake a look at his roster there at Indiana, he brought a ton of players he had at JMU in his first year. Hit the portal hard, got QBs that fit the RPO offense. If a coach is afraid of coming to a school because he has to build a team then do you really want them? With the portal he can bring almost his entire team if he wants to...So again, I call your position on this part of your argument
Again, I never once said it can't be overcome. Not once. Acting like it is a non-issue though is just silly. What part of my position are you actually disagreeing with though? All I said was that in addition to the toxic state of our AD/Booster relationship, the rebuild that was going to have to be done alongside that relationship probably played a factor in the coaches that did turn us down, turning us down. If we are trying to lure a coach away from another school, do you guys honestly think they don't take into consideration what it is going to take to get the roster where they need it to be? There are plenty of coaches that just do not want to do a full rebuild depending on where they are in their career. Usually, decisions aren't made solely on one thing and one thing alone.
I'm truly failing to see how anyone can disagree with that.
As far as Cignetti, I already said I like him. I'd have no problem bringing him in.
This post was edited on 10/13/25 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 10/13/25 at 1:53 pm to bluedragon
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