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Posted on 10/15/24 at 4:07 pm to AUSCgrad2016
Posted on 10/15/24 at 4:07 pm to AUSCgrad2016
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One of my biggest gripes with Pearl is he relies too much on his depth, and I’ve been saying this for years now, it’s why I believe we have flamed out in the tournament. There’s no cohesion for the starters when it comes to end of games because he’s constantly subbing people out. That’s good to do during the nonconference and first half of the SEC schedule. However, those last two months, your top 6-7 players need to be playing at least 27-30 minutes a game.
I can get on board with this. We can substitute 11 deep while we are are trying to get to the finish line (probably need a better phrase) but once we are in the tournament might as well ride with our best.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 4:16 pm to WeagleEagle
Again, I think it is a double edged sword with our depth. Yes, it can help wear out opponents during the regular season, and it’s why we have had such a great regular season for the past 5-6 years for the most part. However, it’s also a hindrance when it comes down to the last couple of months and especially the NCAA tournament. Why do you think most of the teams who advance in the tournament don’t play 9-10 guys? It’s because that’s a terrible strategy for cohesiveness and chemistry among your best players. Yes, it’s good to have during the year, but you need to have 6-7 players that play 30-35 minutes a game during big games or they will play like we have coming down the stretch. I would much rather have 6-7 sure fire guys playing 30-35 minutes with each other than having 10-11 guys splitting between 15-25 minutes a game, especially when about 3-4 of those players shouldn’t be playing that much unless we’re in foul trouble or an injury. If things go as planned, and just by talent, I would have these 7 players playing the most minutes, in no particular order: Broome, Pegues, Denver, CBM, Kelly, Pettiford and Cardwell. Howard and Chaney would fight for the last few available minutes and Hudson and Moore are used for breathers or foul trouble or injury issues.
This post was edited on 10/15/24 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 10/15/24 at 4:48 pm to AUSCgrad2016
I have zero issue with playing 9-10 guys IF they are good and are doing well in their role. Bruce has made deep runs with that formula before and will again this year.
Bruce recruits all dogs and asks them to play their arse off every minute they are on the court. Sometimes that makes the 9-10 man rotation more effective than it would be at 6-8.
That being said, I don't think Jaheim Hudson is any good and I trust Bruce will not force him into 10-12 mpg for the sake of depth.
Bruce recruits all dogs and asks them to play their arse off every minute they are on the court. Sometimes that makes the 9-10 man rotation more effective than it would be at 6-8.
That being said, I don't think Jaheim Hudson is any good and I trust Bruce will not force him into 10-12 mpg for the sake of depth.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 4:58 pm to auburnnyc94
Agreed. They are able to go all out because they aren’t playing the whole game. How many teams did we smoke in the second halves last year? Maybe we should tighten it up down the stretch but no way I go away from playing a lot of guys. We should have more depth than ever this season. Use it.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 5:00 pm to auburnnyc94
Again though, stats suggest other wise. The 2012 UK team was the last team that I can remember that did the hockey lineup like us. There’s a reason why most teams don’t do it though towards the end of the year, and also in general during the year. Being honest, there are really only 6-8 players on the best teams that deserve the majority of the playing time. Again, Kansas only played like 6-7 players most years and they advance. UCONN the same. Again, build depth during the year but having your top guys play the majority of the minutes the last 2 months because that’s when it matters. Having subs every game and not allowing your top guys gel makes it difficult to build that chemistry between your best players, and it’s why I believe we struggle so much towards the end of the year for the most part as well as in the tournament. Look at how other teams have trimmed their bench to just playing 6-7 guys and see how well they play in the tournament compared to Auburn.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 5:02 pm to auburnnyc94
I dont remember our inflated depth being all that much of an issue with Yale because we had already lost Liam, so once our shite talker got ejected, our depth was more so-so. At that point we had a couple backups that werent very good at PG, KD ( I dont feel like I have to disrespect his game because he played hard for us,) and then Jaylin which would completely disappear. So our depth then was not that much, and our issues with scoring became apparent.
Bruce's teams have had a greater number of role players than playmakers since we got off the scholarship reducement, so I hope we have more playmakers than the other way around. Like Jaylin was great if he was frontrunning, but not so much if we needed him to do something. Same for KD.
When I mean frontrunning I mean when our team is on an incredible run, everyone is playing with their heads on fire, our crowd is in it, and we are once again on a 3 against 1 fastbreak. At that point I like our odds anytime.
The ultimate litmus test is Randy ready to buy final four tickets?
Bruce's teams have had a greater number of role players than playmakers since we got off the scholarship reducement, so I hope we have more playmakers than the other way around. Like Jaylin was great if he was frontrunning, but not so much if we needed him to do something. Same for KD.
When I mean frontrunning I mean when our team is on an incredible run, everyone is playing with their heads on fire, our crowd is in it, and we are once again on a 3 against 1 fastbreak. At that point I like our odds anytime.
The ultimate litmus test is Randy ready to buy final four tickets?
Posted on 10/15/24 at 5:33 pm to AUSCgrad2016
Our final 4 team played 9-10 guys. Now, Jared, Bryce, and Chuma did somewhat regularly get over 30 minutes. Bruce doesn’t shy away from playing guys who are clearly a cut above and CAN play heavy minutes.
Jabari and WG regularly played heavy minutes too.
Jabari and WG regularly played heavy minutes too.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 5:49 pm to auburnnyc94
We didn’t have early exits because we played too many people.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 5:58 pm to WeagleEagle
2022 team lost it’s swagger and couldn’t shoot well enough to win on Jabari-Kessler off nights.
2023 team was just a good but not great team that ran into a great team and put up a good fight.
2024 had a psycho go psycho and it’s point guard couldn’t make wide open layups to put the game away l.
Yeah I agree
2023 team was just a good but not great team that ran into a great team and put up a good fight.
2024 had a psycho go psycho and it’s point guard couldn’t make wide open layups to put the game away l.
Yeah I agree
Posted on 10/15/24 at 6:05 pm to WeagleEagle
I don’t think I’m explaining my position very well over a forum, so I apologize, haha. Yes, it’s good to have depth, however, it’s better to have a core 6-7 players to get the majority of the minutes and playing at least 30 minutes a game to build that chemistry. I watch ALOT of basketball, you might describe me as a “sicko”, where I’ll stay up until 1 in the morning at times during the week to watch the Mountain West games. The common theme for most teams is that they play 6-7 really good players and especially like UCONN, who played really only around 7 guys but had such great chemistry because of that familiarity they had with each other playing together so much during the season.
Again, very rarely does any team have 10 guys that can legitimately play and are effective. There is no reason why Broome, Denver and CBM shouldn’t play at least 30 minutes a game (I picked them because they have proven themselves) . They don’t need to split time with Moore or Hudson or even Chaney. I’m really hoping he trims down the bench and plays a core group of guys. I think you’d see much better chemistry at the end of the games the last two months of the season compared to what we have been doing.
Again, very rarely does any team have 10 guys that can legitimately play and are effective. There is no reason why Broome, Denver and CBM shouldn’t play at least 30 minutes a game (I picked them because they have proven themselves) . They don’t need to split time with Moore or Hudson or even Chaney. I’m really hoping he trims down the bench and plays a core group of guys. I think you’d see much better chemistry at the end of the games the last two months of the season compared to what we have been doing.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 6:27 pm to AUSCgrad2016
You make good points. Depth is great early during non-con and conference play, especially as/if injuries mount. But at the end of the day, your closing 5 are what matter. Success in the tournament is a lot about health and continuity, so naturally your minutes are constricting across the roster
Posted on 10/15/24 at 6:32 pm to TheJones
Exactly! Glad you understand my points, ??. But yes, the tournament is about chemistry and consistent play with each other and you just can’t do that when you play 10-11 guys. You need to have those core group of guys to build that cohesiveness and take over games. I think Pearl is too rigid with his philosophy on building depth and it has produced these lackluster results in the last two months for the past few years, save for the SEC tournament this past year.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 6:38 pm to AUSCgrad2016
Gaurd play has been tough at times the last few seasons for different reasons. Certainly part of the larger rotation of guys
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:02 pm to AUSCgrad2016
I’m not arguing that the best guys shouldn’t be on the court more if they can stay effective. Johni in particular has struck me as a guy who is most effective for 25-30 minutes max.
But like I said, Bruce always plays his best guys the most. Our last two rosters haven’t really had 5-6 guys that were obviously much better than the rest.
On the flip side, Bruce has shown the ability to shrink the rotation away from guys when they started to show they weren’t good enough to cut it.
There have been only been two guys since 2017-2018 that I thought weren’t good enough to be in the rotation.
You’re also kinda neglecting the fact that a huge reason for Bruce’s success as a college basketball coach is how hard this guys play. 6-7 guys can’t do that.
But like I said, Bruce always plays his best guys the most. Our last two rosters haven’t really had 5-6 guys that were obviously much better than the rest.
On the flip side, Bruce has shown the ability to shrink the rotation away from guys when they started to show they weren’t good enough to cut it.
There have been only been two guys since 2017-2018 that I thought weren’t good enough to be in the rotation.
You’re also kinda neglecting the fact that a huge reason for Bruce’s success as a college basketball coach is how hard this guys play. 6-7 guys can’t do that.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:10 pm to auburnnyc94
How many minutes should cardwell and broome get together?
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:15 pm to Scoper
Very little. I’m pretty opposed to that. It worked surprisingly well against UGA last year but that was 1 game against an overmatched team
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:21 pm to auburnnyc94
I think I’m gonna trust Bruce on his philosophy.
We were a nothing basketball school that is making final 4’s elite 8’s, multiple sec and tournament championships.
Hopefully we can eventually win a national championship but I don’t think that should be the measure of success for Auburn fricking basketball. If it happens that’s incredible. I’m just glad to finally have a good basketball program. One that has a chance every game that can compete for championships.
We were a nothing basketball school that is making final 4’s elite 8’s, multiple sec and tournament championships.
Hopefully we can eventually win a national championship but I don’t think that should be the measure of success for Auburn fricking basketball. If it happens that’s incredible. I’m just glad to finally have a good basketball program. One that has a chance every game that can compete for championships.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:23 pm to CorchJay
Overall I agree. But I won’t agree with every decision he makes and that’s fine
Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:22 pm to auburnnyc94
They also call too many damn fouls in the SEC. No way we could only play 7.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 5:17 am to AUSCgrad2016
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I think Pearl is too rigid with his philosophy on building depth
When Okeke went down, it was nice to have guys who had game experience.
I get what you are saying.
Aden not maturing limited us last year. He performed below reasonable expectations. I don’t wish him ill, but a McDonald’s All American should have stepped up.
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