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re: Auburn football head coach search thread?
Posted on 1/31/22 at 9:51 am to headrusch
Posted on 1/31/22 at 9:51 am to headrusch
You really think the answer here is give Harsin all the time he needs and we need to trust him? I'd be happy to if I saw ANY progress anywhere, but it isn't there. The coaches picked "for him" like Mason and Bobo have both left under different circumstances but are gone in exactly 1 year. We are now on our 3rd OC and DL coach in a YEAR. We whiffed on every single OL transfer we had in for visits, WRs too. Speaking of WRs we fired one of those coaches too, and the new one Harsin picked is so well liked our leading reciever now plays for South Carolina. I understand rebuilds take time, but seems like he has built, torn down, and rebuilt an awful lot for a guy on the job for almost exactly 1 calender year doesn't it? He seems to know what needs to be done, but changes his approach a lot to do it. Almost like he is unsure where to start. In the meantime the gap is widening very quickly between us and the teams with coaches that actually know what the frick they're doing isn't it?
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Posted on 1/31/22 at 9:52 am to auburn22
It was absolutely an improvement through out the year. We saw consistency. We saw Shed Jackson get BETTER through the year after the WR coach was let go. We saw the offensive line get more consistent, without the huge swings of good and bad. Nix was VISIBILY BETTER every single game this year with one outlier.
These are just two instances. If you take the time to look at the team, and any serious analyst will tell you the same thing, the team got consistently better. We were 9-10 completed passes from being two or three wins better this year.
These are just two instances. If you take the time to look at the team, and any serious analyst will tell you the same thing, the team got consistently better. We were 9-10 completed passes from being two or three wins better this year.
This post was edited on 1/31/22 at 9:58 am
Posted on 1/31/22 at 9:55 am to Poker Dough
This board was wanting both Bobo and Mason fired almost every game this year, now you're upset because he fired them?
You didnt see Shedrick Jackson become one of our most consistent receivers? YOu really say there wasnt ANY progress anywhere? Thats because you're emotionally invested and not viewing it logically.
OL recruitment takes years, every single recruiting reporter has reiterated this. You cant get in on these guys in their senior year and expect to be successful. OL are typically recruited from the time they're freshmen. Gus left us with about the most sub par OL cabinet he could have, and you want Harsin to turn it around in one 6 month recruiting window?
You didnt see Shedrick Jackson become one of our most consistent receivers? YOu really say there wasnt ANY progress anywhere? Thats because you're emotionally invested and not viewing it logically.
OL recruitment takes years, every single recruiting reporter has reiterated this. You cant get in on these guys in their senior year and expect to be successful. OL are typically recruited from the time they're freshmen. Gus left us with about the most sub par OL cabinet he could have, and you want Harsin to turn it around in one 6 month recruiting window?
Posted on 1/31/22 at 9:55 am to headrusch
You nailed it.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 9:59 am to headrusch
No I'm not upset inferior coaches are gone. I'm upset that we look like a total shitshow. I'm pissed we had to remove so many coaches in our Head Coach's first year. I'm pissed so many bad decisions are being made by someone
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:02 am to Poker Dough
Im not convinced that Bobo and Mason werent both forced on Harsin. I think the WR coach was vouched by someone else, and that turned out to be a bad recommendation.
Give Harsin 3 years minimum to get things situated and let him live or die by his own program.
I'm prepared to give him 5 years. Auburn cant get out of its own way and I expect it is having a lasting effect on our football team.
Give Harsin 3 years minimum to get things situated and let him live or die by his own program.
I'm prepared to give him 5 years. Auburn cant get out of its own way and I expect it is having a lasting effect on our football team.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:02 am to headrusch
Yeah not emotionally tied to a football team yet sitting on a football board everyday. Great take! Would read again.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:03 am to Scoper
Sigh... thank goodness bball is fun right now. Seems like people have three takes...
(1) "Davis wasn't ready for the hours"
I seriously doubt he wasn't ready for the hours. NFL guys aren't slouches.
(2) "Davis doesn't want to recruit"
This could be right. There's a huge difference working with NFL QBs vs. college. As a college OC, he's going to have to spend more time recruiting/developing than scheming and working on offensive nuance. It's probably not the hours, but it may be the type of hours. I really do not envy college coaches visiting HS kids all over the country... can't fathom doing it. I'm also surprised he would leave so quickly if this is it. I would have thought this would have been discussed ahead of him signing.
(3) "This is Harsin fixing the culture"
If anything, this would be a big indictment of the culture. The guy is coming from the NFL which is undoubtedly a more professional environment than college ball, and Pete Carroll, seems like a positive/nice guy to work and play for. Part of rebuilding a culture is that most existing guys "buy in" along with new players/coaches brought in.
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(1) "Davis wasn't ready for the hours"
I seriously doubt he wasn't ready for the hours. NFL guys aren't slouches.
(2) "Davis doesn't want to recruit"
This could be right. There's a huge difference working with NFL QBs vs. college. As a college OC, he's going to have to spend more time recruiting/developing than scheming and working on offensive nuance. It's probably not the hours, but it may be the type of hours. I really do not envy college coaches visiting HS kids all over the country... can't fathom doing it. I'm also surprised he would leave so quickly if this is it. I would have thought this would have been discussed ahead of him signing.
(3) "This is Harsin fixing the culture"
If anything, this would be a big indictment of the culture. The guy is coming from the NFL which is undoubtedly a more professional environment than college ball, and Pete Carroll, seems like a positive/nice guy to work and play for. Part of rebuilding a culture is that most existing guys "buy in" along with new players/coaches brought in.
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This post was edited on 1/31/22 at 10:10 am
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:04 am to CorchJay
Are you emotionally tied to the news because you read the news?
Every interaction I've seen from you would put a teenager to shame. If anyone should keep their mouth shut about criticizing someone elses emotional investment, its you.
I've been on this board 6 years longer than you, and I have less than 10% of the posts that you do.
Every interaction I've seen from you would put a teenager to shame. If anyone should keep their mouth shut about criticizing someone elses emotional investment, its you.
I've been on this board 6 years longer than you, and I have less than 10% of the posts that you do.
This post was edited on 1/31/22 at 10:06 am
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:07 am to headrusch
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We were 9-10 completed passes from being two or three wins better this year.
You could say that about every Auburn team every year.
You could make the same statement about 80 percent of teams each year.
The OL couldn't pick up 1 yard rushing multiple times over the course of the year. I hardly ever remember prior to last year just getting stuffed over and over when we need to pick up a 3rd and 1.
I think you are letting your non-emotional bias overflow a little to much on the sunshine.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:08 am to Skyler97
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there’s absolutely no way for us to know how thoroughly Harsin discussed it
That's his job so it doesn't matter. If he didn't discuss it enough, he should have. If you hire a young guy without experience that's a risk you are taking and its your job as the head coach to take that risk on.
Its certainly possible Harsin did discuss it and Davis knew, arrived, and for whatever reason it wasn't for him. But the optics of that don't change. It could just be bad luck for Harsin and he did everything possible, but again its still on his shoulders.
I'm not off the Harsin train, I don't care enough anymore to be on it or off it. I think there's still a reasonable chance that he can salvage this. I think he's a good coach, but whether he is a great coach which is what its going to take to win at Auburn with Saban at Bama, BK at LSU, and Kirby at UGA is yet to be known.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:09 am to CorchJay
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I think you are letting your non-emotional bias overflow a little to much on the sunshine.
You really typed this sentence, read it, and then decided to hit submit?
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:09 am to headrusch
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I've been on this board 6 years longer than you, and I have less than 10% of the posts that you do.
Stomps feet I've been here longer dammit. I'm not emotionally invested because you post more. I can't make a logical point so I'll attack the poster.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:11 am to CorchJay
We will never know for sure, but there has been talk AD has a boog sug problem. Could have dogged a bullet here.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:11 am to CorchJay
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Stomps feet I've been here longer dammit. I'm not emotionally invested because you post more. I can't make a logical point so I'll attack the poster.
You're continuing to make my point. Thank you.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:12 am to ALhunter
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(1) "Davis wasn't ready for the hours"
I seriously doubt he wasn't ready for the hours. NFL guys aren't slouches.
I've never coached NFL and/ or College so frankly I don't know. But NFL guys should have more of an off season. They aren't recruiting and have less players, they are doing player evals but there's no reason in January and Feb that should be more than a M-F 9-5 type of thing. Hell there's enough coaches you shouldn't have that many player and draft prospects to have to do. You can watch film at night when the kids are asleep, or whatever.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:14 am to headrusch
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Give Harsin 3 years minimum
3 years you can go for proof of concept. If we're closer to Geoff Collins at GT than Jamey Chadwell or Ryan Day, then yeah, he can go.
I know Chadwell and Day aren't fair examples, but it was either them or Hugh fricking Freeze for coaches who had just completed their 3rd year.
Also there's a chance that Hugh will search his name and find this thread, so hi Hugh!!!!
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:17 am to baldona
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But NFL guys should have more of an off season. They aren't recruiting and have less players, they are doing player evals but there's no reason in January and Feb that should be more than a M-F 9-5 type of thing.
I can't remember if it was a regular episode, or a Patreon episode of Split Zone Duo, but they did a long discussion about this. NFL assistant coaches basically have complete anonymity in the town that they live in, and also will have Saturdays off the day before a game. That, plus no recruiting, really makes it an easier gig.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:17 am to headrusch
Let's be honest here. If this were Mike Leach at Mississippi State 12 months in, would you say he is moving forward and building the program?
Posted on 1/31/22 at 10:18 am to Lee County Tiger
I think we will know by the end of the summer. You have a shite class stacking up in recruiting then you have your answer. We don't need 3, or 4-5 years. If we get some top players then maybe Harsin can get a reset but he's running way behind right now on just about every decision.
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