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re: AU BBall Thread : Trainwrecked at 18-14
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:19 am to TigerProwl24
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:19 am to TigerProwl24
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I think Austin Wiley is the most likely..
He doesn't move well enough for a big to play tans his skill set isn't nearly dominant enough to offset that
NBA does t go after the classic big men like Wiley as much anymore
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don't think anybody on out team is good enough to be a lottery pick
I'm saying if Purifoy ever "clicks" his upside is clearly the highest on this team. He def isn't a lotto pick right now that's for sure
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:54 am to TigerProwl24
Austin Wiley is going to have to develop some type of shot to have a chance. Big guys can shoot in the NBA now and I don't see him being a Andre Drummond or Deandre Jordan type player.
I thought Purifoy should be a step ahead of the other freshmen mentally and I don't even think he's on the same level as most of them. He has a long way to go, IMO. I also thought he'd be able to get to the rim a little better than he's shown. Some of it may be from injury, but I thought he'd be better at getting to the basket.
I thought Purifoy should be a step ahead of the other freshmen mentally and I don't even think he's on the same level as most of them. He has a long way to go, IMO. I also thought he'd be able to get to the rim a little better than he's shown. Some of it may be from injury, but I thought he'd be better at getting to the basket.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 6:57 am
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:32 am to GenesChin
I think Wiley has the highest NBA upside just because he has the most room to improve from what he is now.
I think Heron is the most likely to actually play in the NBA. He reminds me of Victor Oladipo except with a better offensive game and less defensive game.
Purifoy seems slower and less explosive than he needs to be to play in the nba. Maybe a combination of being inexperience and injured are leading to that and he becomes more explosive next season.
I don't think any are likely candidates to leave after next season, which is good for AU.
I think Heron is the most likely to actually play in the NBA. He reminds me of Victor Oladipo except with a better offensive game and less defensive game.
Purifoy seems slower and less explosive than he needs to be to play in the nba. Maybe a combination of being inexperience and injured are leading to that and he becomes more explosive next season.
I don't think any are likely candidates to leave after next season, which is good for AU.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 10:36 am
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:18 am to PearlJam
Heron was just named to All-SEC freshmen team, as expected.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:20 am to PearlJam
My expectations for Wiley were way to high. He doesn't have any offensive skills away from the rim. He doesn't have soft hands and he's slow to get off the ground which doesn't make him a good shot blocker.
If he can develop a little hook or at least learn to face the basket and dribble in a couple feet rather than trying to back someone down from 10 feet out. He needs to do some plyometrics or something in the offseason to work on his explosiveness / quickness off the ground.
If he can develop a little hook or at least learn to face the basket and dribble in a couple feet rather than trying to back someone down from 10 feet out. He needs to do some plyometrics or something in the offseason to work on his explosiveness / quickness off the ground.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:52 am to PearlJam
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I think Wiley has the highest NBA upside just because he has the most room to improve from what he is now.
Outside of some paradigm shift in his game, Wiley's absolute highest upside is Jahlil Okafor's NBA career (isn't close right now). That is a pretty low upside given how no one wants Okafor/76ers can't trade him
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I think Heron is the most likely to actually play in the NBA
Might be true, but Heron's NBA ceiling isn't very high. By NBA standards, he isn't anything special athleticism wise and is a liability defensively + not an elite shooter
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Purifoy seems slower and less explosive
Purifoy plays slower/less explosive on avg, but if you watch him enough he shows that he clearly is better than that. Reminds me of Kenny Gabriel's athleticism yet couldn't do anything with it
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I don't think any are likely candidates to leave after next season, which is good for AU.
At their current development rate, got to agree
Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:02 pm to GenesChin
quote:He is a big who should be finishing high school right now. Guys his size usually take a while for their coordination to catch up with their size. Sometimes it never happens, but given his age and the glimpses he has shown, I wouldn't bet against him improving pretty drastically with his hands, quickness and mid range game.
Outside of some paradigm shift in his game
He will never be an Anthony Davis type, but he could easily develop into a legit nba prospect (Probably not a lottery pick type though).
Posted on 3/7/17 at 4:34 pm to PearlJam
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He will never be an Anthony Davis type, but he could easily develop into a legit nba prospect (Probably not a lottery pick type though).
That is my point. Unless Wiley somehow gets a lot quicker and moves better, his NBA upside is limited.
I think the best move for Wiley is to lose at least 10-15 pounds and play closer to his listed 255. Should help his explosion, agility and endurance
For the record, Wiley being 6'11 "255" is a joke considering a 6'5/6'6 Cinmeon Bowers played at 255 AFTER he lost 25-30 pounds
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:44 pm to GenesChin
The problem isn't Wiley's weight, it's the type of weight. Wiley has a soft body right now. He has the frame to play heavier than 255 if it's good muscle weight. This first offseason in a college weight and conditioning program should do wonders for him, I imagine you don't get much time for S&C in season.
He needs to spend the offseason focusing on his body and his offensive game.
He needs to spend the offseason focusing on his body and his offensive game.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:15 pm to BowlJackson
He shouldn't be playing bigger than 255 period. Probably would get there but losing baby fat etc. Ya, he needs to reshape his body w/e but every pound he adds even muscle causes
-Reduced endurance/stamina
-Reduced explosion and agility
-Added stress to knees
-Added stress to feet
There is a reason there are more dominant big men in the 6'11+ 245-260 mold than the 6'11 300+ Shaq mold and they hold up better
Considering the increased athletic + endurance demands of centers and power forwards, it is for his own good
-Reduced endurance/stamina
-Reduced explosion and agility
-Added stress to knees
-Added stress to feet
There is a reason there are more dominant big men in the 6'11+ 245-260 mold than the 6'11 300+ Shaq mold and they hold up better
Considering the increased athletic + endurance demands of centers and power forwards, it is for his own good
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:43 pm to GenesChin
Lebron is 6'8" 255 
Yeah guys like AD, Dirk, Duncan who have a skinny, lanky, wiry build. Wiley just isn't built like that.
Wiley has a frame more like Cousins who is 6'11" 270 or Bynum who played at 7'0" 285
He can't force himself into a body type that he doesn't posses. He needs to just work on becoming the best player he possibly can be instead of chasing a lottery pick that will never come.
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big men in the 6'11+ 245-260
Yeah guys like AD, Dirk, Duncan who have a skinny, lanky, wiry build. Wiley just isn't built like that.
Wiley has a frame more like Cousins who is 6'11" 270 or Bynum who played at 7'0" 285
He can't force himself into a body type that he doesn't posses. He needs to just work on becoming the best player he possibly can be instead of chasing a lottery pick that will never come.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:55 am to BowlJackson
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Lebron is 6'8" 255
If Wiley can be ballpark built like Lebron, sure he can play at ~270. Just hard to imagine Wiley will get to that point while at Auburn. Lebron's also probably the best pure athlete every to play basketball which makes carrying that weight easier
Not being "built like that" is the excuse I use to tell my wife why I'm not in peak shape. It may be true, but it doesn't explain all of the weight and is an excuse
Here some "built like that" guys who are all way bigger than Wiley, within 1-2inches and still carry under 255LB.
Blake Griffin 6'10 - 251
Karl Malone 6'9 - 250
Ben Wallace - 6'9 240
Patric Young- 6'9 240lb
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 10:56 am
Posted on 3/8/17 at 11:06 am to BowlJackson
My main point is that if Wiley had no bad weight and weighed 275, he would be absolutely massive. I don't even think it would be possible for him to get there while at Auburn
What is definitely possible is to be a shredded 255, which would still be huge.
What is definitely possible is to be a shredded 255, which would still be huge.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 12:05 pm to TigerProwl24
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I think Austin Wiley is the most likely..
Not at all.
NBA wants bigs like Anthony Towns, Anthony Davis, Porzingas,
Wiley definitely has a spot in the NBA if he can get more aggressive and learn to rebound. He's definitely not a lottery pick tho.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 2:46 pm to GenesChin
Update on how things have played out for NIT thus far
4 that have finished went favorably
1 had favorable but not quite ideal outcome
2 that have had an unfavorable outcome
American East - Vermont Playing in conf championsihp
Big South - Winthrop -Winthrop won
Colonial - UNC Wilmington UNC Wilmington won
Horizon - Anyone Not Valpo Valpo lost
NorthEast- Mt. St Marys (In conf Championsihp) MSM won
Patriot - Bucknell Playing in championship game tonight
Southern - UNC Greensboro (In conf Championsihp) L to ETSU
Southwest- Texas SouthernWon first game in conf tourney
Summit-South Dakota Lost
Western- Gonzaga (San Francisco/BYU upset by lower seed)
Gonzaga won
BYU lost but to a top 25 St Marys team 81-50
SF - lost to Santa Clara RD1
4 that have finished went favorably
1 had favorable but not quite ideal outcome
2 that have had an unfavorable outcome
American East - Vermont Playing in conf championsihp
Big South - Winthrop -Winthrop won
Colonial - UNC Wilmington UNC Wilmington won
Horizon - Anyone Not Valpo Valpo lost
NorthEast- Mt. St Marys (In conf Championsihp) MSM won
Patriot - Bucknell Playing in championship game tonight
Southern - UNC Greensboro (In conf Championsihp) L to ETSU
Southwest- Texas SouthernWon first game in conf tourney
Summit-South Dakota Lost
Western- Gonzaga (San Francisco/BYU upset by lower seed)
Gonzaga won
BYU lost but to a top 25 St Marys team 81-50
SF - lost to Santa Clara RD1
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 3/8/17 at 4:17 pm to GenesChin
TeamRankings has us with a 0.1% NCAAT chance if we go 4-1 in the SECT
We could have 22W, including Arkansas/UF neutral site and still not even be considered
We could have 22W, including Arkansas/UF neutral site and still not even be considered
Posted on 3/8/17 at 4:56 pm to GenesChin
So what is the likelihood we make the NIT.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 5:04 pm to JamalSanders
1 W, we need some luck/no upset in small conf tourneys + other bubble NIT losses
2W, we should be comfortable unless huge upsets happen
2W, we should be comfortable unless huge upsets happen
Posted on 3/8/17 at 5:16 pm to GenesChin
Hopefully third time is the charm for finishing the job against Ole Miss.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 5:54 pm to BowlJackson
It would be a really bitter pill to swallow if Bama gets in over us with the same win total
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