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re: Any of you who are still making excuses for Hugh Freeze
Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:37 am to AUtigerNOLA
Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:37 am to AUtigerNOLA
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Lol you don’t think anyone would come to Auburn
You guys were throwing around big names the last two coaching searches. I said then that no big coach would come and look at who came.
I will just let history prove my point with you again. Keep thinking that Auburn is some great landing spot for big coaches. It isn't.
It is amazing how many of you use your heart instead of your head.
Hell,what big name coach EVER came to Auburn? I will be waiting on your answer.
There is a reason we ended up with a coach that was forced to leave the SEC the last time. Nobody else worth a shite wanted to come here. Why do you think it's different now after the last two seasons?
Sorry about your feelings bro but history is pretty solid proof for my statement
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Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:51 am to LanierSpots
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There is a reason we ended up with a coach that was forced to leave the SEC the last time. Nobody else worth a shite wanted to come here. Why do you think it's different now after the last two seasons?
I feel like it's a mix of timing and boosters getting who they wanted with Freeze.
The truth of the matter is that proven coaches don't usually jump ship to a bigger school unless there is some sort of personal factors which mostly seems to be alma mater affiliation. It's even more muddled in the top half of the SEC which Auburn can historically count itself - a program like Alabama can practically name the coach they want and get them, even if they are currently employed somewhere.
To Laniers point - Auburn has not and probably never will be able to do that.
This post was edited on 11/5/24 at 11:34 am
Posted on 11/5/24 at 11:36 am to LanierSpots
I find it interesting you make this post, yet are also one of the first if not the first to come shouting from the mountaintop, how bad Freeze is and wanting him gone every chance you get.
If you are going to call for a coach’s head every time things don’t go well, you can’t also complain about us not being able to get a good coach. They go hand in hand. Nobody wants to come to Auburn because we treat our coaches like this.
If you believe we can’t get a good coach to come here, then be happy we have one that can recruit at a top level. Wins will come as the roster continue to improve. It’s unfortunate we struck out on the transfers we got. Things could have turned around a little faster if they panned out, but they didn’t. And if you don’t understand how Miami can outbid Auburn for a player, then I don’t know what to tell you, you don’t know a lot about Miami’s NIL. It’s probably going to come bite them in the arse, but John Ruiz committed a ton to getting Ward and we didn’t match it, I think it ended up being around $2M.
If you are going to call for a coach’s head every time things don’t go well, you can’t also complain about us not being able to get a good coach. They go hand in hand. Nobody wants to come to Auburn because we treat our coaches like this.
If you believe we can’t get a good coach to come here, then be happy we have one that can recruit at a top level. Wins will come as the roster continue to improve. It’s unfortunate we struck out on the transfers we got. Things could have turned around a little faster if they panned out, but they didn’t. And if you don’t understand how Miami can outbid Auburn for a player, then I don’t know what to tell you, you don’t know a lot about Miami’s NIL. It’s probably going to come bite them in the arse, but John Ruiz committed a ton to getting Ward and we didn’t match it, I think it ended up being around $2M.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 11:44 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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I find it interesting you make this post, yet are also one of the first if not the first to come shouting from the mountaintop, how bad Freeze is and wanting him gone every chance you get.
You were drawn in by the conversation. I am only saying that you should not just think that Lashlee would jump on board here. He is doing very well right now and will get his chance at a bigger school. He knows Auburn and probably would rather go somewhere else. He knows the ins and outs of coaching here and lets face it, it's not an easy place.
As for Freeze, Keep him or fire him. It's just going to be a matter of time before he is out of here. if you are not watching what is going on with the games, I just cant help you.
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If you believe we can’t get a good coach to come here, then be happy we have one that can recruit at a top level.
Everybody that has tried at Auburn recruits well. Better talent wont make him a better game day coach.
In the day and age of college football, there is not 4 year team building anymore. It's just not a function of the system that is being developed. We have been over this a million times. It's not going to change.
If you believe we should be 3-6 right now on the way to 4-8 or even 3-9, this discussion is pointless.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 11:45 am to sbr2
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I feel like it's a mix of timing and boosters getting who they wanted with Freeze.
Maybe. But that is what Auburn does and always has done. If I remember well, Freeze was not our first or second choice. I may be wrong there but that was the same thing with Harsin. We pretty much missed on everyone else
Posted on 11/5/24 at 11:52 am to LanierSpots
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Everybody that has tried at Auburn recruits well. Better talent wont make him a better game day coach.
Hugh is recruiting the best that anyone ever has at Auburn. As to the gameday coaching, maybe it will and maybe it won’t. Better talent can make gameday coaching a whole lot easier. A QB you can trust to do the right thing and get the ball out makes gameday coaching a whole lot easier. To your original point though, since you contend we aren’t going to be able to get a good coach to come here anyways, I’m going to lean towards not making knee jerk reactions, and keep a coach that recruits lights out, at least until he has two full recruiting classes to see what he does.
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If you believe we should be 3-6 right now on the way to 4-8 or even 3-9
Has anyone on this board argued this ever? Such a weird comment to make. In your opinion then, what should we do after this season? What is your solution?
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here. if you are not watching what is going on with the games, I just cant help you.
I am. What does that have to do with my comment about the hypocrisy of calling for a coach’s head at the first sign of trouble, while simultaneously arguing that we won’t be able to get a good coach? I’ve made my position on the matter very clear in multiple threads.
This post was edited on 11/5/24 at 11:54 am
Posted on 11/5/24 at 12:34 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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In your opinion then, what should we do after this season? What is your solution?
My opinion, based on the first two seasons, he has been here, the competition that he has played and the results from those games are that he is a terrible game day coach. I can also look back at his time at Ole Miss and see where he did similar things there.
Sitting back, hoping that you freeze will become a better game day. Coach is exactly the same as hoping that Peyton Thorne was gonna become a better quarterback in his fifth year. One didn't happen and will not happen.
The solution is not up to me. I don't use my emotions to make such decisions in life or in my business. I look at results and data. The results and Data say that if he stays here, we are always going to have these senseless losses
As long as everyone's OK with that, you keep him. But if you're not, you must replace him. I get the entire problem with replacing another coach, but you're only delaying the inevitable.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 12:43 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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calling for a coach’s head at the first sign of trouble,
We are way beyond the first sign of trouble. We are two years deep of trouble.
Not one single win on his resume in two years. But a bunch of 4th quarter lead losses, the 2 worse losses in recent history and a declining program since he started
I think we are beyond first sign. The first sign was when he lots to New Mexico St at home while being a 24 point favorite. Lost big too.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 1:04 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Hugh is recruiting the best that anyone ever has at Auburn.
All he's done, like you said is purchase a lot of talent, and everywhere I've been that guy is called the boss not coach.
Maybe he'll grow into one but he has got a long way to go to fill those shoes.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 1:14 pm to LanierSpots
Lanier, seems all the AD and BOT can do regarding athletics is make mistakes…. They almost canned Bruce not long ago… could you imagine the vitriol and backlash should that have happened?
Posted on 11/5/24 at 1:23 pm to Luke
Luke, you’re definitely on the right trail here.
Freeze is just a symptom of the dysfunction junction in Lee County.
Freeze is just a symptom of the dysfunction junction in Lee County.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 1:28 pm to Luke
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Lanier, seems all the AD and BOT can do regarding athletics is make mistakes…
I think it is part of the reason that Auburn has such a hard time bringing in coaching talent. That world is a small world and I would bet there are not secrets.
Either way. I make my opinions based on history and that is why I said what I did about Auburn ability to bring in a big coach. Or at least one with a lot going on for them.
And I will say it again, If offered, I would be shocked if Lashless jumped at that chance right now.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 1:36 pm to LanierSpots
You’re exactly right.
PTB @ Auburn have had a bad reputation for a long time.
WJOX said it best yesterday that even once Freeze is gone Auburn will just hire someone like Jimbo Fisher who is buddies with Rane.
JABA
If they were going to hire someone with the baggage of Freeze, they should have reached out to Petrino. JMHO
PTB @ Auburn have had a bad reputation for a long time.
WJOX said it best yesterday that even once Freeze is gone Auburn will just hire someone like Jimbo Fisher who is buddies with Rane.
JABA
If they were going to hire someone with the baggage of Freeze, they should have reached out to Petrino. JMHO
Posted on 11/5/24 at 1:38 pm to LanierSpots
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Sitting back, hoping that you freeze will become a better game day. Coach is exactly the same as hoping that Peyton Thorne was gonna become a better quarterback in his fifth year. One didn't happen and will not happen. The solution is not up to me. I don't use my emotions to make such decisions in life or in my business. I look at results and data. The results and Data say that if he stays here, we are always going to have these senseless losses
Okay, so basically you’re just looking for a sounding board then? That’s fine. Nobody has said he has done a great job gameday coaching. Nobody. You’re making arguments against yourself basically. The only argument being made is that they want to see what he does with a mostly full roster of his and a QB that executes, because his strength is and always will be recruiting. People bring up Cristobal, he is an awful gameday coach, but things look vastly better when he has the right talent. You want to just assume that vastly improving the roster won’t make our gameday coaching better just by default, when you have consistent execution. It makes everything easier and have to press less. Does that mean he will ever be a great gameday coach, probably not. So what?
Everyone that is in favor or just at a minimum not having come apart every week, has said that he gets next year, regardless, but if there isn’t massive improvements, he is probably gone. If he keeps recruiting at this level, things will turn around. Will he be the best coach ever at that point, who knows. If it doesn’t pan out, we get rid of him, but we do so with a properly built roster and an attractive destination for a coach.
So, I guess the ultimate question, when that is what the “other side” of this discussion is saying, why is that unreasonable?
Posted on 11/5/24 at 1:38 pm to LanierSpots
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We are way beyond the first sign of trouble. We are two years deep of trouble.
Y’all have been making these threads for two years
ETA: not just meaning you Lanier, “y’all” in reference to the anti-freeze sect of the board in general.
This post was edited on 11/5/24 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 11/5/24 at 1:59 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
At this point, I really am not sure your beef with my opinion. Are you saying that I am wrong about Auburn being able to bring in coaching talent or my opinion that Hugh Freeze has not done a very good job coaching and is working his way back to the bread line? Or maybe both?
Or are you mad that I am right about both and you dont want to accept it?
I dont mind discussing it with you, I just am not 100% sure what it is that we really are debating
Or are you mad that I am right about both and you dont want to accept it?
I dont mind discussing it with you, I just am not 100% sure what it is that we really are debating
Posted on 11/5/24 at 2:16 pm to LanierSpots
I’m more confused as to why you generally are arguing against points that people aren’t making. Besides the end of this thread discussion about what our ability to bring in a good coach is or not, the rest is largely not arguments people are actually making. Nobody has ever argued he is some gameday coaching savant. He was hired to recruit and get our roster back. The only “excuses” people are making around Hugh is they want to give him more than one full recruiting class. Whether people want to admit it or not, we really have shown some good improvement this year, but as I’ve said in other threads, two crucial areas we did not and its cost us wins.
Then secondly, I more just find it funny that the opinion is we can’t get a great coach right now (which I agree with), yet consistently having threads or posts like most in this thread and basically calling for him to be fired without even having two full recruiting classes. It ducks this season has gone the way it is, but our fan base has been melting for two years and being as obtuse as possible to the state of the program that Hugh came into. That is a major reason we are not an appealing job in the coaching world right now. That’s reality too. We aren’t the Auburn of old right now. In the eyes of the coaching world, we are a toxic program.
Then secondly, I more just find it funny that the opinion is we can’t get a great coach right now (which I agree with), yet consistently having threads or posts like most in this thread and basically calling for him to be fired without even having two full recruiting classes. It ducks this season has gone the way it is, but our fan base has been melting for two years and being as obtuse as possible to the state of the program that Hugh came into. That is a major reason we are not an appealing job in the coaching world right now. That’s reality too. We aren’t the Auburn of old right now. In the eyes of the coaching world, we are a toxic program.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 2:19 pm to LanierSpots
This whole thing is a silly take Lanier. I'll agree with the above - no one is saying he is a stellar gameday coach. The truth is, however, he is recruiting better than AU ever has in my lifetime. And he is in year two.
You claim that 4 year rebuilds do not exist anymore. False. Majority of players don't transfer.
You claim that 4 year rebuilds do not exist anymore. False. Majority of players don't transfer.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 2:24 pm to MrLahey
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Majority of players don't transfer.
Unless they are part of Jarquez’s recruiting class, or the next one
Posted on 11/5/24 at 2:42 pm to MrLahey
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This whole thing is a silly take Lanier.
What is silly about it? So we keep a guy who cant win games but can recruit? Are we Jimbo 2.0? That is exactly what you are telling me.
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no one is saying he is a stellar gameday coach. The truth is, however, he is recruiting better than AU ever has in my lifetime. And he is in year two.
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You claim that 4 year rebuilds do not exist anymore. False. Majority of players don't transfer.
That's right. With the current transfer and player purchase rules, it should not take a good coach 4 years to get a program like auburns back on some kind of positive track. Look at other programs. We are regressing under Freeze. And the regression is not because of talent for the most part. It is from bad coaching. Bad coaching decisions.
So yes, we may get some better talent in the next 4 years. But are you going to be OK with better talent and back to winning 6-7 games a year with much better talent because he can not coach that talent?
That is pretty much what you are saying to me right now
It's not silly. It is facts based on what has happened.
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