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Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:58 pm to
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:58 pm to
I don't think we have a quick trigger or slow trigger on firing coaches. No idea where the idea that we run through coaches even comes from. I don't know where we compare to other SEC programs be we have to be close to the top for least amount of coaches over the past 50 years.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
51513 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:59 pm to
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If we has beaten Bama and State, we wouldn’t have played Houston - we’d have played someone like Iowa or Oklahoma State and they’d have drilled us

I mean you can change the fact pattern all day if you’d like. You asked which games on last year’s schedule that Gus would’ve won.

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And I don’t think there’s any way in hell that Gustav could have gotten the performance out of TJ that Harsin

You thought Finley played well? A TF Bo beat Bama.
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:06 pm to
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Sorry Jonesy. I’ll try to do better in the future


All good. The same people bring up Gus, which gets the same people bringing up Tubs/Chizik, which always leads back to Bo Nix somehow

It’s the same conversations being regifted as new thoughts that makes the off season what it is
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:15 pm to
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Now ask yourself this: would Gustav have beaten LSU in Red Stick? Or Arky on the road in their big revenge game? Or Ole Kiff?


How many times has Arkansas or Ole Miss ever beat Gus? How many bad odd numbered years has Gus ever had? Keep toting the jock of a 6-7 coach

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GSU - Harsin won that one, so you can’t count it

Dumb luck won that one. lmao

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PSU, when AU had lost its last 15 of its last 20 games on the road against teams that finished above .500

Nobody ever claimed Gus was a high benchmark. We all know Gus would’ve done more in odd numbered years. Doing more than 6-7 in odd numbered years for Gus is low hanging fruit.

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MSU - this one’s probably legit, because Steele wouldn’t have let Rogers stand back there and pick us apart.

The way Harsin’s offense forgot how to score in the second half was noticeable too.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:21 pm to
After seeing 2013 and 2019 Gus confuse Saban into late losses I don’t see how anybody thinks Gus would have lost last year. It certainly wasnt Harsin’s coaching that kept Auburn in the game. It was the defense led by Gus guys and a coach that Harsin supposedly fired.

If anything Harsin gave the game away sitting on a sweet 2 point play while opting for OT with a bum QB.
Posted by Poker Dough
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 11:00 pm to
What if Harsin had Bo Nix another year? Kidding Jonesy
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 11:30 pm to
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A TF Bo beat Bama.
And a seasoned sophomore Bo with 24 starts under his belt got his fricking arse kicked.

I don’t understand how you can assume that Gustav would make none of the mistakes that Harsin did while simultaneously repeating everything Harsin did right.

AU’s allegedly shitty defensive coaches shut Bama down for 60 minutes in 2021. Why do you think Steele and Co., who gave up an average of 44 points in the three previous IBs with far more talent at their disposal, would be just as effective?
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 5:51 am to
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And a seasoned sophomore Bo with 24 starts under his belt got his fricking arse kicked.

That was the next year, and completely irrelevant to the overall point of odd numbered years. You suck at this.

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AU’s allegedly shitty defensive coaches shut Bama down for 60 minutes in 2021. Why do you think Steele and Co., who gave up an average of 44 points in the three previous IBs with far more talent at their disposal, would be just as effective?


You can’t even get the story straight of whether Harsin wanted to fire our DC or not. Steele and company created Zakoby and McCreary. Harsin reaped the benefits. End of story. Steele’s crew housed 2 picks in 2019. Steele’s crew did well in 2017 as well.

I’m arguing with facts; you’re fearmongering Arkansas against Gus lmao.

This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 6:03 am
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
35030 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:15 am to
Are you guys serious? 5 years of recruiting of this level will take a decade to recover from. After 2-3 years you can typically tell which direction it's going to go.

Now, due to what happened that process was accelerated for Harsin and it wasn't really fair to him. However, at this point, whatever the reason, Harsin is a dead man walking at Auburn after only a year and barring a truly miraculous season on the field this year he's not going to recover from it.
Posted by Poker Dough
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2018
9890 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:18 am to
I was joking. I wanted him gone earlier this year, still do
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
51513 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:28 am to
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I wanted him gone earlier this year, still do

I always knew you were a scholar and a gentleman.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19672 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:32 am to
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I’m arguing with facts; you’re fearmongering Arkansas against Gus lmao.

You're drunk-texting Gus at 2am.

"we were soooo good together, babe - PLEASSSEEE COMMEE BAAAAACCCKKK"

You're the one assuming that 2021 would be just like 2013 or 2017, despite all evidence to the contrary. The program was in a tailspin that wouldn't have magically improved because it was an odd-numbered year.

AU won-loss record would not have been significantly better last season had Gustav still been the HC. Period.
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 7/27/22 at 7:51 am to
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AU won-loss record would not have been significantly better last season had Gustav still been the HC. Period.


I was one of the biggest Gus detractors around but I do think we beat Miss St., So Car, and probably Bama last year with Gus.

To be fair we probably would have been less competitive in Happy Valley and I'm not sure Gus would have ever found a way to win in BR even against that atrocious LSU team last year. Although, as bad as they were, it still took Bo channeling Johnny Manziel for us to barely win that game. Definitely not some Harsin masterclass.
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 7:53 am
Posted by TailbackU
ATL
Member since Oct 2005
13158 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:01 am to
There are system guys and there are culture guys. The system guys can come in and have immediate success but the ceiling is limited. The culture guys take longer to weed out and ramp up but the ceiling is higher. I’m gonna give Harsin the benefit of the doubt because I believe in the principles of work, sacrifice, and breaking down to break through… the ethos of a program takes time and I think we will prove the critics wrong this year. We’ll finish a strong 7-5, beat someone we’re not supposed to and win a bowl game and end up 8-5 with a lot of momentum for 2024. Think Dye 1982
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
51513 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:07 am to
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You're the one assuming that 2021 would be just like 2013 or 2017, despite all evidence to the contrary.

You forgot 2019.

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You're drunk-texting Gus at 2am. "we were soooo good together, babe - PLEASSSEEE COMMEE BAAAAACCCKKK"

All I said was Gus was decent in the odd numbered years. You’re deep throating a 6-7 coach.

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AU won-loss record

Why do stupid Auburn fans talk like this?

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The program was in a tailspin that wouldn't have magically improved because it was an odd-numbered year.

2012- 2013, 2016-2017, 2018-2019. If you want to talk tailspins, 2021 and 2012 say hi.

An improvement in win-loss record and rivalry wins in three out of four rotations.



Posted by AubieinNC2009
Mountain NC
Member since Dec 2018
7095 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:10 am to
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I was one of the biggest Gus detractors around but I do think we beat Miss St., So Car, and probably Bama last year with Gus.


Dont know I think once Bo went down Gus would have got even more predictable and we still would have struggled.
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
35030 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:12 am to
Maybe, it's all speculation obviously but I don't see Gus blowing a huge lead at home to Miss St. Either way it doesn't really matter.

Gus nor Harsin are the right guy to lead Auburn right now.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
51513 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:16 am to
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Dont know I think once Bo went down Gus would have got even more predictable and we still would have struggled.

You anybody but Bo until we have to apologize for Harsin fans are great. Harsin had a former SEC starter replace Bo and the season got significantly worse. Maybe that’s the one thing that Harsin had over Gus? Harsin had a backup QB, Gus had JF3 type backup QBs.
This post was edited on 7/27/22 at 8:21 am
Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
25494 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:23 am to
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Gus had JF3 type backup QBs.
And whose fault is that??? Gus's fault
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
51513 posts
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:23 am to
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Maybe, it's all speculation obviously but I don't see Gus

Real Auburn fans know Gus would’ve won us last Iron Bowl. I can’t deal with our cowardice that ended the game. We won’t win another IB for a while.
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