re: 2022 Fall Camp Discussion Thread- Retired

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It can't be brought up enough how unsettled our QB position still is. This is the most important position on the field, and it's why we lost 5-straight last season. So it seems a bit silly to me to be predicting ~10 wins when the literal storyline is that it's a 3-way battle at QB between three guys who all have shown issues. The guy they expected to win the job has been bad.

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Unfortunately this is pretty much where we stand.

Wishful thinking is fine, especially now as we're still 0-0 and hope springs eternal. But the cold reality is that wishful thinking is all we've got at the moment.

As for TAMU, I think Jimbo isn't nearly the HC his paycheck says he is. His QB whisperer days are long behind him, and he's yet to prove to me that he's any different than Chiz - just a guy who doesn't really possess the skills to run a major program, but got lucky with a once-in-a-generation QB who led a talented team to an NC.

I think they're definitely beatable this year, but there's no denying that they have considerably more raw talent, and they beat us on that alone last year (as I recall, Calzada had a horrible game against us, but Bo was just a little worse).

I’m unsure how Harsin has become an amazing coach in everyone’s eyes all of a sudden after finishing with a losing record last year. I think some people rallying to his side during the attempted coup have blinded themselves to the reality that Harsin put together the worst season Auburn’s had since 2015

Of course, things were pretty good before Bo got hurt, Mississippi State excepted, so as long as we have a good QB this year then I could see the logic, alas…

(That’s also not mentioning that we likely have taken a step back at DC, and who knows on the offensive side of the ball)

Maybe, but if you asked SEC teams who’d they’d rather have at DC at the moment, 13/13 would take Mason over Schmedding. And yes, the Mississippi state game was bad, but he also put Harsin and Bobo in position to win the Iron Bowl and they blew it. Call that a wash and the rest of the season was a good performance.

On offense, I have no love for Bobo and expect to be at least the same or so, but it’s filtered through TJ Finley QB1 so might not be evident from the raw results

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Jimbo went 9-1 with Kellen Mond just two seasons ago, and that was a QB who everyone thought was garbage.

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Against a joke of a schedule, all-SEC or not. 4 of the 8 teams he beat in the regular season fired their HCs at the end of the year, and two others fired theirs a year later. AU was the 3rd or 4th best team they played, and we were dreadful. And if memory serves, Mond was the 7th QB taken in an NFL draft that featured QBs as the first three picks, so it's not like he was 'garbage'.

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The storyline when he was at FSU was that he was only winning because it was easy.

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And it was, until Clemson finally turned the corner.

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But the two guys that have followed him have seemed to have a LOT of trouble even winning anything at all.

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Which says a lot about the state of the program he left behind. Sure, Taggart and Norvell have pretty much nuked the Noles, but they had a good head start in that direction from Jimbo.

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Against a joke of a schedule, all-SEC or not. 4 of the 8 teams he beat in the regular season fired their HCs at the end of the year, and two others fired theirs a year later. AU was the 3rd or 4th best team they played, and we were dreadful.

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There is no such thing as a "joke" of a schedule when all you are playing is SEC teams week in and week out. I'm aware that some of those teams fired their coaches, but you severely underestimate how difficult it is - with no cupcake opponents - to not drop a game or two in this conference. Texas A&M also handled all of those "bad" SEC teams with ease. Apart from their opening week game vs. Vandy; they beat MSU, Arky, USCar, LSU, us, and Tennessee all by 10+ points. None of those games were close.

They were a good team, capped off with a 14-point win in their Bowl game.

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And if memory serves, Mond was the 7th QB taken in an NFL draft that featured QBs as the first three picks, so it's not like he was 'garbage'

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But this goes against your claim that he is long past his days as a "QB whisperer". Before 2020, Kellen Mond was largely seen as a joke and was constantly made fun of by everyone in the SEC. So now you're saying he was actually good? So did Jimbo help mold him into that player, or not?

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Which says a lot about the state of the program he left behind. Sure, Taggart and Norvell have pretty much nuked the Noles, but they had a good head start in that direction from Jimbo.

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C'mon, dude. FSU was 10-3 with an Orange Bowl win over 10-win Michigan the season prior to Jimbo's final season wherein he went 5-6 before stepping down. You're telling me that he somehow did so much damage in ONE season, that it's taking them 4+ seasons after he left to even field a 7-win team? The state of the program that he left behind was one that was winning ~10 games a year. In that final season, their starting QB suffered a season ending injury in the first game and they played a true freshman the rest of the way. Jimbo was also feuding with their administration and it was obvious he wanted out. Even after he stepped down, the team ended up beating Florida and winning their Bowl game to finish 7-6, so it really wasn't that horrendous of a team despite playing a true freshman QB.

Again, Taggart and Norvell have proven that it's not as simple as it was proclaimed to simply win 10+ a year at Florida State year over year, which is what Jimbo was doing there. And one bad season in 2017 with a true freshman QB isn't the reason why they're still sitting at ~.500 years later.

We are not well positioned to be calling anybody overrated going all the way back to 2014 ranked number 2.

Why can’t we just have Deion and his celebrity coaches?

Brian Stultz

@brianjstultz
John Samuel Shenker, Owen Pappoe and Derick Hall named Auburn’s team captains.

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Why can’t we just have Deion

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Jang, I am all in with you on this.