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Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:09 pm to The_SwAUggford
Posted on 3/15/17 at 4:09 pm to The_SwAUggford
I like Sean White but he has no long ball and will do great at Jacksonville State
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 5:08 pm to The_SwAUggford
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I hope you're trolling
Why in the world would I be? We have recruited for years for a Gus style offense. A running team built around a running Qb. Yes we have some good receivers but our offense needs to be built around a running attack. That is with a running QB.
Sean White is not that guy.
Woody Barrett would be a much better fit, athletically, for the type of offense we have recruited for. Like others, I am hopeful that Stidham is going to be a better fit but Sean White is not going to be that guy.
I dont know how many times we are going to shite in the bed before you guys own up to that.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 6:15 pm to LanierSpots
Augolf on AUF said something interesting.
What's the scoop on this? "Ryan" is the kid that chose Stanford.
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Kodi made some big mistakes in Mobile especially with Ryan. That's why he is no longer there and TWill is. TWill has some ground to make up.
What's the scoop on this? "Ryan" is the kid that chose Stanford.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 6:28 pm to jangalang
Not sure what they talking about. I know for a fact he chose Stanford over AU because he bought the 40 years over 4 year pitch. Had nothing to do with Burns. If he doesn't get into Stanford he signs with AU
That's straight from someone in Johnson's family. Only know because one of my family members works with one of his after commitment asked why not AU. That's as close as insider as I will ever get
That's straight from someone in Johnson's family. Only know because one of my family members works with one of his after commitment asked why not AU. That's as close as insider as I will ever get
Posted on 3/15/17 at 6:30 pm to TigerPaw1
T-WILL does recruit Mobile now so part of that could be true. Don't know just know Burns isn't reason Johnson signed. Stanford degree is
Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:12 pm to TigerPaw1
Sounds like a way to make it not about Auburn vs Stanford
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:04 pm to TheJones
Just read through that thread on AUFamily. I have no idea how connected golf is so can't really comment on his info besides what I said above. I would take anything WarDamnEagleWDE says with a huge grain of salt. Likes to play off Rivals stuff as his own info and is usually very vague about whatever info he is sharing so that he sounds like he knows stuff but has very little specifics. I think his insider status is overblown on that site
I have no idea how good or not good Burns is as a recruiter. It seems he has done better job building relationships with guys this cycle as more have commented on him specifically as a reason for their interest than last yer. Still until there are results people are gonna doubt his effectiveness and I don't blame them. I do feel pretty confident that he wasn't the reason we missed on Ryan Johnson. And I imagine if things were so bad in Mobile we wouldn't be in the top groups for 2 Mobile kids out of the gate in 2018 in Jalyn Armour-Davis & Timaje Porter.
I have no idea how good or not good Burns is as a recruiter. It seems he has done better job building relationships with guys this cycle as more have commented on him specifically as a reason for their interest than last yer. Still until there are results people are gonna doubt his effectiveness and I don't blame them. I do feel pretty confident that he wasn't the reason we missed on Ryan Johnson. And I imagine if things were so bad in Mobile we wouldn't be in the top groups for 2 Mobile kids out of the gate in 2018 in Jalyn Armour-Davis & Timaje Porter.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:09 pm to TigerPaw1
All this Kod talk perfect segue to today's SECCountry recruiting article
With one target out, Kodi Burns will continue hunt for strong Auburn recruiting class at wide receiver (SECCountry)
With one target out, Kodi Burns will continue hunt for strong Auburn recruiting class at wide receiver (SECCountry)
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Auburn misses out on top receiver
A few weeks back, at the Orlando Under Armour camp, Joey Gatewood was asked if any receivers in attendance were on his Auburn radar. He didn’t hesitate.
“Joshua Moore. That boy can play,” Gatewood said.
Moore is ranked the No. 15 wide receiver in the nation by the 247Sports composite rankings, but it’d be tough to find a receiver who is more well-polished and college ready than Moore.
The 6-foot-1, 160-pound wide receiver from IMG Academy (Fla.) received an offer from Auburn in December. It seems every program in the nation has done the same. All in all, Moore holds 55 (!!!) offers, including — just kidding, not listing them all.
Moore had some tough decisions to make and a huge list to narrow. Unfortunately for the Tigers, Moore left Auburn off his top-10 list, which he released Tuesday night.
Missing on Moore is just that — a miss — but if there’s one position group Auburn can afford a few on in this cycle, it’s at wide receiver.
Below, there are several wide receivers included in the top targets list, but those aren’t the only names. Kodi Burns caught plenty of unfair grief during his first recruiting cycle, as the Tigers entered National Signing Day with only one commitment (Noah Igbinoghene). The other wide receiver signed that day (JaTarvious Whitlow) was recruited late by Chip Lindsey.
In other words, the 2018 cycle will be key for the perception of Burns as a college recruiter. Subjectively, Auburn will be just fine recruiting wide receivers with Burns on board. His youth helps him connect with wide receivers, as does his familiarity as an Auburn alumnus.
With no Moore, here are the prospects Burns will continue to chase:
- Justyn Ross
- Matthew Hill
- Seth Williams
- Jacob Copeland
- Kearis Jackson
- Kamryn Babb
- Marquez Ezzard
- Anthony Schwartz
- Mark Pope
- Camron Johnson
Top 10 offensive targets
In case you missed it, SEC Country dropped its list of the top-10 offensive targets remaining on Auburn’s wish list. It was a wide receiver-heavy list, which makes sense considering the humble haul taken in during the 2017 cycle.
There will be a defensive version to come and many more target lists will be published as the 2018 recruiting cycle continues.
Check out the latest on the following 10 prospects here:
- William Barnes
- Jacob Copeland
- Richard Gouraige
- Matthew Hill
- Tyneil Hopper
- Kearis Jackson
- Harold Joiner
- Asa Martin
- Justyn Ross
- Seth Williams
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:11 pm to TigerPaw1
Mountain Brook's Harold Joiner, an Auburn and LSU target, has 'unbelievable potential' (AL.com)
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As a freshman in high school, Harold Joiner almost quit football.
The Mountain Brook standout running back's father had other ideas.
"My dad wanted me to give it one more year," Joiner said, noting that his father said he had better long-term potential on the gridiron than on the basketball court. The 6-foot-3, 215-pound Joiner was a part of Mountain Brook's basketball team as a sophomore, but elected not to play for the 7A basketball state champions this year in order to focus on football.
The offers for Joiner, ranked as a four-star recruit on the 247Sports individual rankings, keep rolling in. His coach, Chris Yeager, estimated more than 20.
Jacksonville State offered last spring. Auburn followed with an offer last September. LSU recently offered. Others include Ole Miss, Mississippi State, UCLA, Kentucky, Missouri, UAB, Troy and Samford.
Joiner won't turn 17 until this summer. He could have started school a year later. Yeager thinks he'll play this fall in the 220-pound range.
"No. 1, he's got an unbelievable frame," Yeager said. "When everybody looks at him, the first thing people think is, as good as people think he is now, he's all upside."
Yeager said one college coach watched all of his highlights last season and said he looked better at the end of the season - when the body should be worn down - than at the beginning.
"They look at him and think 'Unbelievable potential,'" Yeager said. "I think he's got unbelievable hands. He's got fine motor skills and he's such a skilled athlete. He can turn a backflip. He catches seam routes with one hand. He can dunk a basketball. He's still developing."
Joiner spent last weekend in Louisiana, where he earned the LSU offer in person from head coach Ed Orgeron. He then earned running back MVP honors at the Rivals camp in New Orleans.
"It's a great place," Joiner said. "They have exciting players and their coaches are exciting. It's good vibes all around."
Joiner said Auburn head coach Gus Malzahn likes him as a running back, but has also mentioned playing outside receiver.
"They run a similar offense that we do and I fit well in this offense, so I should fit well in their offense if I'm able to go there," Joiner said.
He has also visited Ole Miss this spring, and felt coaches were honest with him about current NCAA troubles.
"They run a similar offense as we do and I like them," Joiner said. "They say that we know we're having problems right now, but we'll get over it and you'll be fine if you come here."
Joiner grew up fans of Alabama and LSU because he liked their downhill power offenses. His primary recruiter at Alabama was Mario Cristobal, but Cristobal left to become offensive coordinator at Oregon. He hasn't heard from Alabama since then, but is hearing from Cristobal at Oregon.
Joiner said he wants to make his decision in early December. He's working toward becoming a December high school graduate and enrolling early.
Joiner noted that he likes UAB's offense and family atmosphere, and may take a trip to Memphis this weekend.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:12 pm to TigerPaw1
Alabama offers Auburn legacy, 4-star QB Bo Nix (AL.com)
Hands off Bama
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Alabama has joined the race for 2019, four-star Pinson Valley quarterback Bo Nix.
Nix, the son of former Auburn quarterback Patrick Nix, tweeted this afternoon that he received an offer from the Crimson Tide. The younger Nix received an offer from Auburn last June.
Nix will play at Pinson Valley next season after his father accepted the head coaching position after four seasons at Scottsboro.
The younger Nix (6-foot-1, 180 pounds) completed 55.2 percent of his passes for 1,737 yards, 16 touchdowns and four interceptions last season. He ran for 1,300 yards and 20 touchdowns on 130 carries and was a finalist for Class 5A Back of the Year.
Nix's other offers include Florida State, Ohio State, Ole Miss and Tennessee.
Hands off Bama
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:14 pm to TigerPaw1
Bo Nix has no disgruntled Alan Evans in the family. If he chooses Bama, the golden gates of heavens will split.
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 7:58 am
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:16 pm to TigerPaw1
KN has update on 3* LB Michael Harris. Ohio State has always been his dream school and he recently finally earned a Buckeye offer. Said he is thinking about committing. It's a battle for the #2 spot after that between AU, Bama, UGA & USC. He loves Travis Williams and talks to him every day (though his phone is broken right now apparently). Even if he does commit to Ohio State still plans on taking all 5 official visits and right now it sounds like AU would get one.
This kid will end up a top 100 player by the end. Unfortunately Ohio State is gonna be tough to beat
This kid will end up a top 100 player by the end. Unfortunately Ohio State is gonna be tough to beat
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:19 pm to TigerPaw1
Predicting where the top 5 uncommitted in-state recruits land (247)
It's a slideshow with audio clips for each player but here's summary of predictions
Justyn Ross - Auburn
Jalyn Armour- Davis - Auburn
Coynis Miller - Alabama
Harold Joiner - Auburn or LSU (too close to call)
Seth Williams - Alabama
I would take that in a heartbeat even though I really like Miller
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Where will the top five uncommitted prospects in the state of Alabama land come National Signing Day?
And, how will the Auburn Tigers fare?
Today, we take a quick look at the recruitments of those players, using the 247Sports rankings, while also breaking down their film.
They are: WR Justyn Ross, CB Jalyn Armour-Davis, DT Coynis Miller, RB Harold Joiner, WR Seth Williams.
It's a slideshow with audio clips for each player but here's summary of predictions
Justyn Ross - Auburn
Jalyn Armour- Davis - Auburn
Coynis Miller - Alabama
Harold Joiner - Auburn or LSU (too close to call)
Seth Williams - Alabama
I would take that in a heartbeat even though I really like Miller
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:23 pm to TigerPaw1
Strange Pat went from OC at Miami to a HS HC. Bit backwards.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:10 am to TigerPaw1
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Not sure what they talking about. I know for a fact he chose Stanford over AU because he bought the 40 years over 4 year pitch. Had nothing to do with Burns. If he doesn't get into Stanford he signs with AU
That's straight from someone in Johnson's family. Only know because one of my family members works with one of his after commitment asked why not AU. That's as close as insider as I will ever get
That is the cookie-cutter explanation that comes out of every kid that chooses Stanford. Not trying to shite on your moment of "insider status", but the likelihood seems pretty high that the "family member" would just use that as a SAFE explanation that won't offend anyone. The fact of the matter is that Johnson was highly considered to be a heavy Auburn lean well after he was accepted into Stanford; with heat not starting to build otherwise until like a night before his decision. The staff flat out thought that they had him; now wouldn't you think that it would be pretty obvious to them if he indeed was "that into" Stanford academics? That doesn't exactly seem like something a kid all of a sudden decides to base their decision on.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 2:25 am to metafour
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The fact of the matter is that Johnson was highly considered to be a heavy Auburn lean well after he was accepted into Stanford
Who are you, Rachel Maddow? Who said? Your facts are simply false. It was understood that getting accepted to Stanford would give him serious thought and it obviously did.
If he wasn't "that into" academics, he would'nt have been accepted to Stanford. For you to downplay the opportunity to get a Stanford degree, like it isn't a big deal, is asinine.
Just be honest, for some reason you love to bash Coach Burns and didn't want to miss out on another opportunity to throw sh!t against the wall hoping it will stick.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 3:22 am to metafour
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That is the cookie-cutter explanation that comes out of every kid that chooses Stanford. Not trying to shite on your moment of "insider status", but the likelihood seems pretty high that the "family member" would just use that as a SAFE explanation that won't offend anyone. The fact of the matter is that Johnson was highly considered to be a heavy Auburn lean well after he was accepted into Stanford; with heat not starting to build otherwise until like a night before his decision. The staff flat out thought that they had him; now wouldn't you think that it would be pretty obvious to them if he indeed was "that into" Stanford academics? That doesn't exactly seem like something a kid all of a sudden decides to base their decision on.
I mean believe what you want. If it's easier to swallow that a kid chose Stanford over Auburn because Kodi Burns is such an awful recruiter he must have done something to cause the kid to pick somewhere else go ahead. Seems to me you are doing a lot of contorting to make this fit your "Kodi sucks" narrative. I will stick with what seems like a much more straight forward answer and that's a family that priorities education chose Stanford over Auburn because of academics
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 3:24 am
Posted on 3/16/17 at 4:49 am to TigerPaw1
I'm inclined to agree with the alternative facts this time. Seems weird that Kodi is no longer working Mobile for one. Not to mention it seemed way too weird that such a longtime Auburn lean would be headed to Stanford. Yeah the Stanford degree speaks volumes above Auburn's to the professional world, I get that. If any level-headed kid is thinking about his career and his academics like he is though, the battle is already half won. What you get out of it is what you put into it and that applies everywhere.. not just Stanford. We have people like Anfernee Mclemore that have IVY league offers that come to Auburn to play SEC level sports. Guess I'm getting little peeved that y'all are acting like Auburn has the academics of JSU. If Ryan cared this much about academics, Kodi should've been working him on the academia side of Auburn+ SEC football.
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 5:05 am
Posted on 3/16/17 at 5:15 am to jangalang
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Seems weird that Kodi is no longer working Mobile for one.
Travis Williams is a better recruiter. Mobile is an important area. Not surprised they would make the switch. Maybe he did mess something up, I don't know. But he obviously didn't do anything that horrible considering there are 2 Mobile kids (one at same school as Ryan Johnson) with AU in their top groups
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Not to mention it seemed way too weird that such a longtime Auburn lean would be headed to Stanford. Yeah the Stanford degree speaks volumes above Auburn's to the professional world, I get that. If any level-headed kid is thinking about his career and his academics like he is though, the battle is already half won. What you get out of it is what you put into it and that applies everywhere.. not just Stanford
Some degrees give you back a bit more, Stanford is one of those. Johnson even publicly said that Stanford changed things when he got in and if not he was going to AU. It wasn't that weird. Most people thought (myself included) that in the end location and relationships were too much in AU's favor over the Stanford degree. Turns out not.
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We have people like Anfernee Mclemore that have IVY league offers that come to Auburn to play SEC level sports.
Different people with different priorities. Maybe McElmore didn't want to be so far from home. I have no idea but just because one kid decides to do something doesn't mean another won't make a different decision
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Guess I'm getting little peeved that y'all are acting like Auburn has the academics of JSU.
I'm not but like it or not a Stanford degree does carry more weight nationally. Personally if I had been given the option of getting a free engineering degree from Stanford or Auburn I would have chosen Stanford as well
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If Ryan cared this much about academics, Kodi should've been working him on the academia side of Auburn+ SEC football. Yeah.
I'm sure we did, it just wasn't enough. Stanford also has a great football program so it's not like he is giving up the opportunity to play in big games or a shot at the NFL
I am not trying to defend Kodi Burns. I think it was a weak hire and we could have done better. He still has plenty to prove and if he can't sign a solid WR class this year then I might join the "Burns sucks as a recruiter" train. However that doesn't mean I am gonna make him the scapegoat for everything. It was said over and over again that if Ryan Johnson got into Stanford it would change things. It did unfortunately for us
Posted on 3/16/17 at 5:40 am to TigerPaw1
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I am not trying to defend Kodi Burns.
Don't kid yourself. Yes you are.
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But he obviously didn't do anything that horrible considering there are 2 Mobile kids (one at same school as Ryan Johnson) with AU in their top groups
Horrible? WTF. Does grossly underselling Auburn qualify as horrible? Why would that affect the other two with "AU in their top groups?"
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Some degrees give you back a bit more
As I had already mentioned. Auburn has a fine school for engineering and he could've achieved the same successes after graduating from Auburn. The degree isn't going to do all the talking. It's up to Ryan...
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Different people with different priorities.
SEC football isn't for everybody it appears.
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Personally if I had been given the option of getting a free engineering degree from Stanford or Auburn I would have chosen Stanford as well
As a student athlete, there would be more factors for me than just which engineering school is 30th and which is 2nd in the nation.
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Stanford also has a great football program so it's not like he is giving up the opportunity to play in big games or a shot at the NFL
It's still not SEC football. Not the same game day atmosphere. I haven't been impressed with Stanford or the Pac12 since Luck left.
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