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re: 2017 Football Recruiting Thread ["N$D Bryant" Edition]
Posted on 8/8/16 at 7:44 pm to MrAUTigers
Posted on 8/8/16 at 7:44 pm to MrAUTigers
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Craig just wan't a good position coach.
If Craig wasn't a good position coach and that was the reason he was let go, then plenty more would've been out the door before him. Including Lashlee. I personally believe he was a good position coach. He just didn't have the talent there to help him out. He could've stuck some of those kids on jugs machines all day and they still would've had major deficiencies in the hands department. From every thing Ive heard, including Marcus Davis outright praising him even though DC is on another team, it sounds like DC was a great position coach.
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 7:46 pm to jangalang
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I personally believe he was a good position coach. He just didn't have the talent there to help him out.
Sooooo he's not a good recruiter?
Posted on 8/8/16 at 7:50 pm to BowlJackson
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Rhett Lashlee has been our ace recruiter
Craig was involved with nearly every high level recruit. 247 doesn't always give him credit
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he was never the recruiter for us that he was for FSU.
A lot easier to recruit to FSU/Tallahassee than AU. This shouldn't be a surprise
Posted on 8/8/16 at 7:50 pm to jangalang
Watching practice videos our wrs are still dropping passes. Ricardo was stone hands. Funny people blame Coach Craig for the drops
Posted on 8/8/16 at 7:56 pm to AA7
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Sooooo he's not a good recruiter?
Duke
Darius Slayton
Eli Stove
Kyle Davis
NCM
Marcus Mclain
He obviously tried to fix our stone hands....
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 8/8/16 at 7:59 pm to jangalang
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Gardner
Posted on 8/8/16 at 8:06 pm to beatbammer
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Gardner
I'm glad he finally recruited like the elite recruiter you claim him to be. Tell him to do it again.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 8:48 pm to jangalang
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He obviously tried to fix our stone hands....
So you don't see the fallacy in calling him both a great coach and recruiter and then excusing his lack of WR production by saying he hasn't had any talent?
Posted on 8/8/16 at 8:59 pm to AA7
If anybody has a fallacious argument it would be you presenting a false dichotomy. Because you're not exhausting the other possible reasons for why our WR production was so low.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:07 pm to jangalang
quote:ya know, for having top ten recruiting classes every year, we sure do have some shitty recruiters - negatigers
If anybody has a fallacious argument it would be you presenting a false dichotomy. Because you're not exhausting the other possible reasons for why our WR production was so low.
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:23 pm to jangalang
I would say that we missed on guys when it came to evals and that was coupled with a lack of development. I personally think Craig is a lights out recruiter when it comes to getting who he wants, but to claim him as anything more than an average coach is nothing more than conjecture.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:59 pm to AA7
We absolutely nailed the recruitment for the past two years. Our secondary, DL, OL and WR are loaded with talent
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:03 pm to AA7
Lack of development? We are used to watching our WRs run Jr High route trees in Gus's offense. Is the lack of development solely on Craig now? When our own guys are raving about how LSU's receivers will love their position coach, I think that should be your Que to pipe down with this stupid talk. And for the love of God, receivers either have hands or they don't, not having good hands isn't an indictment on the coach.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:24 pm to ChexMix
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Our secondary, DL, OL and WR are loaded with potential talent
Fify
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:26 pm to jangalang
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If anybody has a fallacious argument it would be you presenting a false dichotomy
Someone had been using his Word-of-the-day toilet paper.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:34 pm to jangalang
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We are used to watching our WRs run Jr High route trees in Gus's offense.
Darvin Adams, Terrell Zachary, and Emory Blake all looked pretty good in it. Did Gus' offense devolve over the years or did they simply have a better WR coach?
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When our own guys are raving about how LSU's receivers will love their position coach,
Players loving their coach = them being good teachers?
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And for the love of God, receivers either have hands or they don't, not having good hands isn't an indictment on the coach
Why does that coach recruit players with no hands? Or better yet why does a coach sit his players who apparently have outstanding hands for someone like Ricardo?
Eta: Not sure why you have such a hard on for Craig
I didn't mind him as a coach but to act as if he is the best WR coach in the nation is laughable. The fact that you continually end up refuting your own claims due to the excuses you have to make for him should be telling enough. Craig is exactly what we knew he was, an average on the field coach who could make us a contender for almost any recruit.This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:53 pm to AA7
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Darvin Adams, Terrell Zachary, and Emory Blake all looked pretty good in it. Did Gus' offense devolve over the years or did they simply have a better WR coach?
Which one of these guys were the "speed sweep" guys or the " just run down the field" guy? Even Sammie Coates said our offense didn't prepare him for the NFL.
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Players loving their coach = them being good teachers?
What kind of "teaching" do you think college football coaches can do at this level? DC isn't out there to reinvent the wheel. At the college level, and at the WR position in particular, its all about providing discipline ( and from all accounts, DC is still very anal about the details) and it's all about instilling confidence into your players.
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Why does that coach recruit players with no hands?
Did DC recruit Louis? Also, why do we recruit QBs that cannot throw the ball worth a flip? Hint: athleticism.
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Or better yet why does a coach sit his players who apparently have outstanding hands for someone like Ricardo?
You're not as obtuse as Brannigan. Stop it.
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I didn't mind him as a coach but to act as if he is the best WR coach in the nation is laughable
I am not acting as "if he is the best WR coach in the nation." That is an appeal to extremes on your part which is, yet again, another lazy argument on your part.
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 8/8/16 at 11:00 pm to jangalang
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Which one of these guys were the "speed sweep" guys or the " just run down the field" guy?
That would be T-Zach. With Darvin doing things WR's do, like reading the coverage and finding soft spots in it.
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What kind of "teaching" do you think college football coaches can do at this level?
What kind of teaching do you think takes place at the HS level?
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Did DC recruit Louis?
Nope, but he recruited basically every other WR on the team. How do you explain their lack of production? Did DC recruit guys who suck or did he simply not prepare talented WRs?
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You're not as obtuse as Brannigan. Stop it.
Okay... for tonight.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 11:18 pm to AA7
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What kind of teaching do you think takes place at the HS level?
Fundamentally more driven while being less situationally driven.
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Nope, but he recruited basically every other WR on the team. How do you explain their lack of production? Did DC recruit guys who suck or did he simply not prepare talented WRs?
Was the WR group so great last year after Duke got kicked off? Just off the top of my head, we had:
Ryan Davis: true frosh
Darius Slayton: true frosh
Melvin Ray: talented..but he was a professional baseball player playing football...
Truitt: Got hurt in the second quarter against Arkansas
Jason Smith- he needed the ball more...
Marcus Davis- Did you know that he had a career high 8 receptions against Georgia for a mere 31 yards??? WTF
On top of that:
-Myron Burton left the team- ( He was ranked higher than Marcus Davis)
-I'm sure they would've never imagined Sammie going pro after his junior year either.
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 8/9/16 at 6:47 am to jangalang
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Fundamentally more driven while being less situationally driven.
Not really. Most HS WR's who are good enough to go D1 don't get proper teaching in HS because they are so much more talented than their competition. I will agree that someone who doesn't have hands typically only improves a minimal amount. But learning to read coverage, find soft spots, and getting separation are all things that most college WR's need help on. Obviously there are exceptions.
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Was the WR group so great last year after Duke got kicked off? Just off the top of my head, we had:
Ryan Davis: true frosh
Darius Slayton: true frosh
Melvin Ray: talented..but he was a professional baseball player playing football...
Truitt: Got hurt in the second quarter against Arkansas
Jason Smith- he needed the ball more...
Marcus Davis- Did you know that he had a career high 8 receptions against Georgia for a mere 31 yards??? WTF
On top of that:
-Myron Burton left the team- ( He was ranked higher than Marcus Davis)
Craig was here for 3 years, that was his fault.
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I'm sure they would've never imagined Sammie going pro after his junior year either.
Ahh another Trooper Taylor stud recruit. You're starting to make me think we should rehire Troop. NCAA can suck it.
ETA: This will be my last post on the subject of Craig and our WR's. We've screwed this thread up enough
This post was edited on 8/9/16 at 6:49 am
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