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Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:04 am to GenesChin
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:04 am to GenesChin
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The annoying thing is, if we return Monty/Lawson and put out a legit D next year, we likely win 8-9 games even if our O sucks.
Gus doesn't get fired winning 8-9 games with a good D
I'm worried that you are right!
After this season with 6 wins (hopefully), I fear that we may be in line for 6-8 win seasons as long as we stick with Gus...and those seasons will never be bad enough to consider moving on from him.
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:27 am to WareagleKK
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I hope we keep him, bc if Gus tanks again next yr and the D keeps improving I'd put my $.02 on Muschamp for next HC.
I don't get this.... The team this year is literally what UF had the past 2 seasons. Defense that is good enough to win games but an offense without any kind of passing game or identity. I think Muschamp is an outstanding DC but I don't think I want him as HC
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:45 am to TigerPaw1
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I don't think I want him as HC
I think most agree. All you have to do is look at his time at Florida.
The best scenario for me would be to have a HC who is more of a manager than a DC or OC. I think this is the case for the elite coaches in CFB. With GC and now Gus, the HC influence is soooo one sided, and funny enough, when Gene was here the defense sucked, and with Gus here the offense is not garbage.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 10:52 am to AUNashville
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and with Gus here the offense is not garbage.
Based on the tone of your post I assume you mean hot garbage. It's a little ridiculous to say that about his tenure after what our offense did in 2013 and even last year. While this falls somewhat on Gus he just doesn't have the right pieces this year.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 11:38 am to WareagleKK
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I hope we keep him, bc if Gus tanks again next yr and the D keeps improving I'd put my $.02 on Muschamp for next HC.
And I'd be pretty pleased with that, barring good hires.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 11:56 am to TigerPaw1
quote:In fairness to him Weiss was forced on him as an OC by UF bras. The offense just continued to go down hill from there.
I think Muschamp is an outstanding DC but I don't think I want him as HC
Posted on 11/20/15 at 11:59 am to AUNashville
quote:From people in the program this appears untrue. A number of people in the program wish he would get back to doing what he does best, being the playcalling genius he was thought to be instead of leaving it to Lashlee.
Gus, the HC influence is soooo one sided
Posted on 11/20/15 at 12:15 pm to ellitor
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instead of leaving it to Lashlee.
The situation is so murky to us outsiders. The impression from my POV is that our O is a hot mess and neither Gus nor Rhett really know how to fix it.
This post was edited on 11/20/15 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 11/20/15 at 12:18 pm to AUNashville
That's the impression of a lot of people at this point.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 12:26 pm to AUNashville
The Gus issue is complex. A lot of HCs talk about how unlike OC/DC and below, HC is like 90% program running and 10% football. Considering his limited CFB experience and his constant moving, he is learning on the fly how to run a major program + recognize and fix systemic issues. Just look at roster management, he has never been at a school long enough to see how a 4 year roster plan of recruitment pans out
From a schematic view, I think Gus' offense works and that he can teach that offense to his players (unlike say Kevin Sumlin). The issue is that I don't believe Gus can develop a QB and passing game for a non dual threat QB. Not to be an elite team at least. If he made a solid hire to complement him and his system I think we would be in business
From a schematic view, I think Gus' offense works and that he can teach that offense to his players (unlike say Kevin Sumlin). The issue is that I don't believe Gus can develop a QB and passing game for a non dual threat QB. Not to be an elite team at least. If he made a solid hire to complement him and his system I think we would be in business
Posted on 11/20/15 at 12:45 pm to GenesChin
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From a schematic view, I think Gus' offense works and that he can teach that offense to his players (unlike say Kevin Sumlin). The issue is that I don't believe Gus can develop a QB and passing game for a non dual threat QB. Not to be an elite team at least. If he made a solid hire to complement him and his system I think we would be in business
I completely agree with this. I think Gus's offense can & in the past has shown to be successful without a duel threat however those were at smaller schools & even at Auburn in 2009 we didn't beat LSU/ARK/BAMA/UGA. I have nothing against Lashlee but I don't think either him or Gus has proven they can develop a young arm. They have shown they can take talented QBs & give them a system to succeed in but actually take a kid out of high school & turn him into an SEC QB hasn't gone well so far.
I do like the fact they seemed to have switched back to a duel threat focus. Franklin, Barrett, Narcisse & top target in 2018 Gatewood are duel threat guys. Gus has already shown he doesn't need an elite passing game to win SEC titles & compete for national titles. He just needs athletes at the WR position that can stretch a defense vertically to keep the safeties out of the box. From there it's using whatever run strength of the QB paired with a speed sweep guy or a power back. I think we have the backs & OL to get it done. We need the QB & the WR if we want to get back to Atlanta.
Honestly I am fine with keeping Lashlee if they get back to that 75/25 run/pass style with a duel threat guy. That paired with a muschamp defense is as physical of a team as you can get. With all that said I have no idea what is going to happen in 2016 but I still think Gus and company can get it done
Posted on 11/20/15 at 12:52 pm to AUNashville
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The situation is so murky to us outsiders. The impression from my POV is that our O is a hot mess and neither Gus nor Rhett really know how to fix it.
I think they know how to fix it, there's just not an option at the position.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 12:53 pm to GenesChin
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HC is like 90% program running and 10% football.
And you're back to making shite up
Posted on 11/20/15 at 12:57 pm to TigerPaw1
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Honestly I am fine with keeping Lashlee if they get back to that 75/25 run/pass style with a duel threat guy. That paired with a muschamp defense is as physical of a team as you can get. With all that said I have no idea what is going to happen in 2016 but I still think Gus and company can get it done
All of this... With a quality dual threat Qb Gus can pretty much score when he wants. He tried to go a different route this year and blew up in his face. If he gets back to the bread and butter we'll be amongst the league's best shortly, especially with Champ as DC.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 1:04 pm to TigerPaw1
Gus' systems goal is to stretch the field vertically and horizontally while simultaneously respecting power run. It effectively forces the D to win 1on1 with no help.
We can pass 75% in a 1 read then dump/run offense and win even without DT. We just need to be able to stretch field and accurately throw/catch.
We can pass 75% in a 1 read then dump/run offense and win even without DT. We just need to be able to stretch field and accurately throw/catch.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 1:06 pm to Weagle25
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And you're back to making shite up
It was probably hyperbole but some HC was interviewed and trying to make the point that being HC had a lot more non football responsibility tha. He was expecting
Posted on 11/20/15 at 1:07 pm to ellitor
quote:This, coupled with his own "Heisman QB" totally crapping the bed, and you get what they had.
In fairness to him Weiss was forced on him as an OC by UF bras. The offense just continued to go down hill from there.
Will is smart enough, and ambitious enough, to not repeat the same mistakes IMO.
This abortion of an offense falls on Gus in the end. He had to know there was a question as to whether Rhett was ready, and his inability to recognize all the issues, THEN correct them, is starting to concern this sunshine factory owner.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 1:09 pm to GenesChin
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 1:16 pm to Weagle25
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 1:24 pm to GenesChin
Fwiw I have a nephew who is an Assistant Coach (WR's) at a D1 school in the Mountain West Conference currently (working his way up through the ranks). Without going into deep detail he told me one time that There is a lot more depth and layers to being a HC than most fans can realize. He didn't say this in a condescending way at all and there was a lot more to our conversation.
I will add that he said coaches expect fans to hold them accountable for the amount of money they make, and the promises that are made. It was an interesting discussion we had, but quite lengthy.
I will add that he said coaches expect fans to hold them accountable for the amount of money they make, and the promises that are made. It was an interesting discussion we had, but quite lengthy.
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