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re: We have mountain lions y'all.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 10:17 am to Arkla Missy
Posted on 1/17/15 at 10:17 am to Arkla Missy
Wasn't a bigfoot, that's cray cray. 
It was something that "doesn't exist" in the arkla,,, but a couple of us have seen.
It was something that "doesn't exist" in the arkla,,, but a couple of us have seen.
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Posted on 1/17/15 at 10:26 am to Ole Geauxt
No, it isn't crazy!!! You know it exists!! Too many ppl I know have SEENT IT!!! I seent a picture!! ... Sitting around the campfire, I'm sure you all have discussed things, creatures that y'all have "seen." I've heard a few of those discussions. 
... I think I know the non-existent creature of which you speak. Think I remember that story.
... Sitting around the campfire, I'm sure you all have discussed things, creatures that y'all have "seen." I've heard a few of those discussions. ... I think I know the non-existent creature of which you speak. Think I remember that story. Posted on 1/17/15 at 10:32 am to Arkla Missy
Well, seent it then, I ain't stoppin' you from seentin' it!
And, I didn't try to kilt it, either.
And, I didn't try to kilt it, either.
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Posted on 1/17/15 at 1:21 pm to Arkla Missy
The last credible article I read regarding the documented history of Felis concolor (i.e. cougars, pumas, mountain lions, panthers: all different names for the same animal) attacking humans in America cited several hundred attacks over the past 150 years equating to six (6) human deaths. It also pointed out to postulate that for every one of these cats YOU have seen and/or heard in the wild, at least 100 of them have been aware of your presence. In other words they HAVE attacked humans, no question. But it is very unusual that one decides to do so. And they can really F you Up and make you wish you were dead, but the truth is that if you aren't a little kid or a really old geezer and you can hit, slap, pinch, punch, kick, claw, bite, and holler whilst fighting off the SOB then you aren't going to die. Unless the ER doctor gives you an antibiotic to which you're allergic. The cat will eventually decide that your meat isn't worth the effort and it will walk away.
This said, if one acted like it was going to attack me then I would shoot it. My days of taking arse whoopins are WAY behind me.
I would not, however, think it my duty to kill one just in order to save some future someone's calves or goats or even children. Live and let live when it comes to things not mosquitoes and fireants. An African leopard WILL jump on you and eat you. A Bengal tiger CAN become addicted to the taste of human flesh. An American cougar is not going to bother you under the vast majority of circumstances.
Final Note (and then I'll quit trying to sound like I know something): Most Felis concolor cubs are born blonde. Some are born black. They're the same animal. It's a "race" thing. [American scientists aren't allowed to use the word "race" any more in regards to non-human organisms. British, German, French, Russian, et al, scientists still do. Since 1946 there has been a movement in America to play down the 'fact' that race DOES exist across the animal kingdom. But this is neither here nor there except that it is]. Jaguars (Felis onca and also black sometimes) used to migrate northward into Texas (and possibly farther) in the summer, but it is VERY unlikely that any big black cat we see these days is a jaguar. Panther, puma, cougar, mountain lion: black or blonde they're all F. concolor. And they ARE all over Texas, Louisiana, and Arkansas.
This said, if one acted like it was going to attack me then I would shoot it. My days of taking arse whoopins are WAY behind me.
I would not, however, think it my duty to kill one just in order to save some future someone's calves or goats or even children. Live and let live when it comes to things not mosquitoes and fireants. An African leopard WILL jump on you and eat you. A Bengal tiger CAN become addicted to the taste of human flesh. An American cougar is not going to bother you under the vast majority of circumstances.
Final Note (and then I'll quit trying to sound like I know something): Most Felis concolor cubs are born blonde. Some are born black. They're the same animal. It's a "race" thing. [American scientists aren't allowed to use the word "race" any more in regards to non-human organisms. British, German, French, Russian, et al, scientists still do. Since 1946 there has been a movement in America to play down the 'fact' that race DOES exist across the animal kingdom. But this is neither here nor there except that it is]. Jaguars (Felis onca and also black sometimes) used to migrate northward into Texas (and possibly farther) in the summer, but it is VERY unlikely that any big black cat we see these days is a jaguar. Panther, puma, cougar, mountain lion: black or blonde they're all F. concolor. And they ARE all over Texas, Louisiana, and Arkansas.
This post was edited on 1/17/15 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 1/17/15 at 2:35 pm to derSturm37
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And they ARE all over Texas, Louisiana, and Arkansas.
Thank you. I can only address what I have personally seen with my eyes.
I don't know you're background, would you mind sharing it, why the reading about the subjects, etc.?
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:06 pm to Ole Geauxt
When I was young, 8 or 9, I would listen to one scream down on the Red River in Little River county. I didn't see my first one until over 10 years later when a black phase cougar was killed by a guy hunting deer over dogs. I saw another one about 15 years later on the edge of a pasture where I was deer hunting. I was able to watch that one for several minutes.
There is no mistaking one when you see it. Absolutely gorgeous animals! I remember a number of years ago that the Wildlife folks paid over a hundred grand for a study of whether there were any lions that actually lived in the state. For their $100,000.00 the answer was "no". Wish they'd have asked me and gone ahead and given me the money, lol. I already knew the true answer to that question.
There is no mistaking one when you see it. Absolutely gorgeous animals! I remember a number of years ago that the Wildlife folks paid over a hundred grand for a study of whether there were any lions that actually lived in the state. For their $100,000.00 the answer was "no". Wish they'd have asked me and gone ahead and given me the money, lol. I already knew the true answer to that question.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 3:24 pm to LAHawk
In my short 6 or 7 decades of wandering around in the woods, I've seen some things that I can't explain, some things that are very obvious, some that I probly never will tell. BUT, for someone to call me a liar, and there's a possibility that they know I'm telling the truth, that ain't gonna go unanswered, or at least as long as I have a breath left to argue with.
And I don't drink!
while hunting.
And I don't drink!
while hunting.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 4:09 pm to Ole Geauxt
I am not a biologist. I don't work for the forest service. So you can't quote ME as a source. I'm sorry.
My degree is in philosophy. I'm just a pretty avid reader. I cannot state that the information I cited came from National Geographic or Scientific American specifically; admittedly I don't recall the precise source. But I can attest that I don't bother reading scientific text unless it's credible. There is a lot of pollution in anything being published, especially in this age of the internet, and I don't have the time to waste reading any of the questionable crap. When I DO find myself reading the questionable crap (if bored or whatever) then I don't commit the stuff to memory.
Beyond this I have seen 3 cats, all blonde, and one black bear, over the past 10 years myself. (I'm in the Davy Crockett National Forest 100 miles north of Houston). And I have an uncle who IS a retired Texas State Forest Service biologist (with a Masters degree) who has informed me that THEY know that F. concolor AND Ursus americanus are in the ArkLaTex and in relatively substantial numbers.
Wish I could give you more than this.
My degree is in philosophy. I'm just a pretty avid reader. I cannot state that the information I cited came from National Geographic or Scientific American specifically; admittedly I don't recall the precise source. But I can attest that I don't bother reading scientific text unless it's credible. There is a lot of pollution in anything being published, especially in this age of the internet, and I don't have the time to waste reading any of the questionable crap. When I DO find myself reading the questionable crap (if bored or whatever) then I don't commit the stuff to memory.
Beyond this I have seen 3 cats, all blonde, and one black bear, over the past 10 years myself. (I'm in the Davy Crockett National Forest 100 miles north of Houston). And I have an uncle who IS a retired Texas State Forest Service biologist (with a Masters degree) who has informed me that THEY know that F. concolor AND Ursus americanus are in the ArkLaTex and in relatively substantial numbers.
Wish I could give you more than this.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 4:34 pm to derSturm37
Hey, no problem, I'm not wanting to quote you to anybody or anything, cause it's useless anyway, unfortunately. Just curious if you had a position on the "inside" of W&F, or somewhere, and could explain why there's such a coverup on this stuff. 
Like I said, like you, I can only attest to what I know, what I've seen and certainly not gonna let anybody call me a liar, without going down with a fight,
unless there's handcuffs involved..
Like I said, like you, I can only attest to what I know, what I've seen and certainly not gonna let anybody call me a liar, without going down with a fight,
unless there's handcuffs involved..
Posted on 1/17/15 at 4:38 pm to Ole Geauxt
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W&F
Posted on 1/17/15 at 4:39 pm to 870Hog
wildlife and fisheries
Posted on 1/17/15 at 4:42 pm to Ole Geauxt
Figured as much. First time I had heard that term instead of Game & Fish.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 4:45 pm to 870Hog
We call em Green Jeans.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 4:47 pm to Ole Geauxt
I call them scary... Only law enforcement not required to have a search warrant to search you. frick the green trucks... and really frick the Black SUV federal game wardens. 
Posted on 1/17/15 at 4:49 pm to Ole Geauxt
You use the word "coverup". Uncle Bill, the Texas Forest Man I've mentioned, claims that there is precisely this: a government mandated conspiracy to hide the truth. And that it exists for a very simple reason: Washington doesn't trust us gun wielding drunk ignorant redneck coonass hillbillies with the truth!
Think about it. You've got neighbors and cousins. You know how they are. Some of them are going to want to kill a cat to be kings of the saloon for two weeks. Some are going to feel obligated to kill one in order to protect their and/or someone else's cows, goats, dogs, great aunts, and/or neighbors' nephews...
It's better that no one believe they're out there. Ultimately their numbers will grow and the truth will be revealed. By then their populations will be better prepared to withstand the reactionary onslaught of Bubba and his blunderbuss. And there will be plausible deniability for the government. "shite!" they'll say, "we REALLY didn't know!"
It's just better that we (they) don't know. It probably really is.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 4:56 pm to 870Hog
I'm usually fairly legal, especially the last 40 years.
And in arky, et al, and pretty much everywhere.
I know they have a job to do,,,, but,,, I better stop.
And in arky, et al, and pretty much everywhere.
I know they have a job to do,,,, but,,, I better stop.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 5:01 pm to derSturm37
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It's just better that we (they) don't know. It probably really is.
I see your point,,, but, there's the problem. We, the responsible outdoorsmen are the ones that observe, see, spot, report, etc. It kinda reminds me of something (inserted to say, nothing even remotely close in reality) that a feller with the initials of A H would enlist, and that sickens me.
Posted on 1/17/15 at 6:27 pm to derSturm37
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I would not, however, think it my duty to kill one just in order to save some future someone's calves or goats or even children.
Agreed except for the "children" part.
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Live and let live when it comes to things not mosquitoes and fireants.
And red wasps & frickin hornets ... They just need to die.
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Most Felis concolor cubs are born blonde. Some are born black. They're the same animal.
I actually knew this from learning a bit about "big cats" when I was a kid, & my mom was the director of "Friends of the Zoo" at our hometown's small zoo. She also helped the Alexandria, LA zoo with their big cat habitat and in getting rescue cats placed there years ago, so I've enjoyed learning a little, here & there, about "exotic" or "big cats." My family are rather devoted animal lovers, particularly of big cats, and are long time supporters of Turpentine Creek Wildlife Refuge in Eureka Springs, AR, which rescues big & exotic cats that have been abused, abandoned, or neglected. We have an especially strong aversion to those who are abusive to or kill these animals when unwarranted. It is unbelievable the number of psychopaths who attain some kind of sick pleasure from these abominable actions. Those loathsome frickers would not want to be confronted by my seemingly harmless, petite, 4'10" mother. There is no doubt, after she got done with them, they would wish they had been attacked by a ravenous lion instead.
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Jaguars (Felis onca and also black sometimes) used to migrate northward into Texas (and possibly farther) in the summer, but it is VERY unlikely that any big black cat we see these days is a jaguar. Panther, puma, cougar, mountain lion: black or blonde they're all F. concolor. And they ARE all over Texas, Louisiana, and Arkansas.
The only time I've seen a black jaguar is in the Audubon Zoo in Nola. You could see his subtle markings in his black coat by looking closely at it, in the sunlight. ... And I don't know if folks, in general, realize how many big cats are in AR/LA/TX. I think the majority of people are shocked when they discover how many of these cats exist in the wild here, or that they are living here at all. Many people have seen or heard of bobcats living in this region, but really nothing else. ... It also amazes me the number of beyond ignorant people who think they can keep these animals if they happen to find them as babies, or more often, buy/trade them on the black market. It happens, frequently, with bobcats around here since they're smaller, but it also happens with the bigger cats in this area, i.e., cougars/mountain lions/panthers/pumas. Turpentine Creek, which is the largest big cat sanctuary in North America (450 acres) takes in all types of big cat, including those considered to be "exotic," but quite a few of the panther/pumas/cougars/mountain lions, as well as bobcats, that TC has are from this region & were abandoned by people who are idiots with an ego problem who thought it would be cool & badass to have big cats as pets, then realized they could not keep them once they reached a certain size, plus the fact they are wild animals, therefore, can't be domesticated. ... There are usually 130-140 cats at TC, all of which are named.
It is truly a phenomenal place to see - gorgeous grounds, gorgeous animals. quote:
It's a "race" thing. [American scientists aren't allowed to use the word "race" any more in regards to non-human organisms. British, German, French, Russian, et al, scientists still do. Since 1946 there has been a movement in America to play down the 'fact' that race DOES exist across the animal kingdom. But this is neither here nor there except that it is].
That is extremely interesting - I had no idea. It is also one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. American scientists aren't "allowed" to use the word "race" regarding non-human organisms? Wth is the point of this?!?!? But scientists in most other countries do??? If race in the animal kingdom exists, then it exists - not using the word "race" doesn't make it untrue or disappear.
... That is astoundingly laughable. And I didn't realize the PC concept even existed in 1946. Wow. quote:
The last credible article I read regarding the documented history of Felis concolor (i.e. cougars, pumas, mountain lions, panthers: all different names for the same animal) attacking humans in America cited several hundred attacks over the past 150 years equating to six (6) human deaths. It also pointed out to postulate that for every one of these cats YOU have seen and/or heard in the wild, at least 100 of them have been aware of your presence. In other words they HAVE attacked humans, no question. But it is very unusual that one decides to do so.
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An American cougar is not going to bother you under the vast majority of circumstances.
This is exactly what I've learned over the years from big cat "experts" with zoos & from the Turkey Creek folks. This is also why I am so skeptical of these alleged cougar and/or mountain lion "attack" incidents & killing in "self defense" stories coming from supposed deer hunters, and that seem to be happening more frequently. ... With all due respect to legit, ethical hunters who obey the laws & follow the code of "good hunting conduct" so to speak, as well as recognize conservation & respect nature - and I know many of them - there are those "outlaw" hunters/poachers with that shitty backwoods mentality & attitude of having the right to kill anything & everything that moves, for no other reason than to brag & have it mounted or stuffed, with zero regard for the species, whether it is endangered or not, if it's even legal to hunt that animal, it's it's in season, if they have a license or tags, if it's after dark, etc. etc. etc. I have known of a few of those criminals, as well, and unfortunately, those types of cretans still exist, and when they are caught hunting illegally, they should be prosecuted as harshly as the law will allow - no slaps on the wrists or 2nd & 3rd strikes. ... I'll be on the look out for more of these types of ... "Ah swar, Ah uz rayully jes deer n hawg huntn wheeun a big ol mountn lahhn come outta nowheres showin eez taith n bout ta jump me, so Ah HAYYUD ta shoot eem, er ee woulda keelt me" ... stories.
This post was edited on 1/17/15 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 1/17/15 at 6:37 pm to Arkla Missy
I do not talk like that, dammmit, sammy!
Posted on 1/17/15 at 6:47 pm to Ole Geauxt
Maybe not ... Just think Mountain Man from your neck of the woods.
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