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Posted on 12/11/13 at 10:08 pm to I Ham That I Ham
Posted on 12/11/13 at 10:08 pm to I Ham That I Ham
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Yep. Shame on a student standing up for a university in a state where only 20% of adults have a degree (only better than WV). Attention whore!!!1
Sorry for being a veteran. Will try harder my next life.
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 10:12 pm to OSqueal
quote:Every non-degree-holding Arkansan is a veteran? Cool.
Sorry for being a veteran. Will try harder my next life.
His statement was obviously not meant personally.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 10:18 pm to OSqueal
I never put down people that don't have degrees or veterans (seriously
). Just saying that this state lags behind as far as education. It would be better for more Arkansans to earn degrees, no? Posted on 12/11/13 at 10:19 pm to Hog on the Hill
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Every non-degree-holding Arkansan is a veteran? Cool.
His statement was obviously not meant personally.
Never said they were but I am part of the 80% and statements like that come across as looking down on those who don't have a degree.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 10:36 pm to OSqueal
quote:Do you think there's value in increasing the number of degree holders in our state? If your answer is 'yes' then I don't see how you can take issue with his statement.
Never said they were but I am part of the 80% and statements like that come across as looking down on those who don't have a degree.
While an individual can be very competent and productive without a degree, the attainment of higher education is vital on a societal level.
I think it's ridiculous to accuse a future graduate of UA of being an attention whore because he publicly advocated for the university. Isn't it one of the university's missions to produce good citizens who are capable of engaging in constructive public discourse?
For some reason, Pigfeet thinks it's a great idea to encourage apathy and passivity by denigrating people who speak up about something they care about--something that is actually an important issue in our state.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 11:17 pm to Hog on the Hill
Guys, this thread I don't even.
The NWATimes is the same paper as the Dem-Gaz, just a zoned copy.
Mike Masterson ran the letter in full because Mike Masterson got to phone in an entire column. Dude is lazy.
This guy comes off as totally naive. He wants an op-ed to defend the honor of the University in regards to editorials about a $4 million budget deficit, top staff resigning and a legislative audit?
The NWATimes is the same paper as the Dem-Gaz, just a zoned copy.
Mike Masterson ran the letter in full because Mike Masterson got to phone in an entire column. Dude is lazy.
This guy comes off as totally naive. He wants an op-ed to defend the honor of the University in regards to editorials about a $4 million budget deficit, top staff resigning and a legislative audit?
Posted on 12/11/13 at 11:17 pm to I Ham That I Ham
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Yep. Shame on a student standing up for a university in a state where only 20% of adults have a degree (only better than WV). Attention whore!!!1
It's really shameful how the baby boomer generation in Arkansas is so devoid of the concept of Education = social mobilaztion. It's a black eye their selfishness has put on following generations.
My dad was contesting my view that I grew up in an economically depressed area. He says why are people moving into this valley? I reply with because it's cheap as frick, and one of the few places in NW Arkansas where you can still buy farmland. He couldn't explain how our zip code could be both prosperous yet have no natural resources being commercialized, less than 8% of the adult population have a bachelors degree, and over 30% of adults are HS dropouts and the median income is over $21,000 below the national average... and I'm a jerk for wanting to raise my family, if I ever have one, far far far away from this zip code.
The student body at the U. of A really has transformed itself for the better. I doubt I'll ever be an alumni unless I get a MBA for shits and gigs, but I do like where the university is going, I'm just pissed when it was time for me to choose they weren't all in on entrepreneurship like where I chose to go.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 11:20 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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It's really shameful how the baby boomer generation in Arkansas is so devoid of the concept of Education = social mobilaztio
Yep, I've seen it frequently on this board. It is really shocking
Posted on 12/12/13 at 6:27 am to whataboar
quote:That's what it was in response to? lol.
This guy comes off as totally naive. He wants an op-ed to defend the honor of the University in regards to editorials about a $4 million budget deficit, top staff resigning and a legislative audit?
I imagined letters to the editor in which people actually talked negatively about the university's reputation as an academic institution. If this is just in response to that deficit and the aftermath, then it does make this letter seem misguided.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 6:54 am to whataboar
The fiscal irresponsibility has been newsworthy. Guess it should have been swept under the rug and everybody would be happy.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 7:40 am to Hog on the Hill
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That's what it was in response to? lol.
Pretty much, though I do think the ADG does have an ax to grind with University brass and Dave Gearhart. The FOIA requests about the Advancement division from the ADG were sat on by the University for months. Then came the John Diamond claim about Gearhart destroying emails and the reopening of the legislative audit-- I think the ADG editorial page (esp. page editor Paul Greenberg) has published many columns calling for a change in administration. They've compared it to the UCA mismanagement. UA brass calls it a smear campaign.
ASG Bo decides that he's had enough and writes an op-ed that defines what journalism is to the ADG editorial board and Greenberg, who won a Pulitzer for editorial writing back in the late 60s.
And because I'm veering into tl;dr territory (too late), here's some hilarious reading that provides a look into how Arkansas media often works: https://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2013/11/14/ua-evasive-on-correspondence-with-a-columnist
a sampling:
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I wrote Mark Rushing and, in addition to requesting information about football and party attendance, said:
I'd also like a copy of e-mails sent by Masterson to Chancellor Gearhart since 2011.
To that question, Rushing responded:
Chancellor Gearhart did not locate any emails from or to Mr. Masterson since 2011.
I followed up:
Does "not locate" mean there were none? Does he recall any? Has he purged his e-mail?
That prompted this response from Rushing:
As for the email question, I checked with Chancellor Gearhart again and there are no emails.
I then sent him one more question last night:
Would it change David Gearhart's recollection that he'd never exchanged e-mail with Mike Masterson if I told you I had copies of numerous such e-mails?
Oh, and Brad Choate is meeting with the Legislative Audit on Friday. Unless he gets tight-lipped and decides to be the only fall guy, this will not be a good day for Gearhart.
[FULL DISCLOSURE: ASG Bo's letter was so misguided that I'm over here singing the praises of an editorial page that I mainly disagree with. That page is so far right on most issues that in comparison I look like a disabled, gay, black communist single mother who is writing this post on my obama phone, waiting in line for a welfare check on my medicaid-purchased rascal scooter.]
Posted on 12/12/13 at 7:43 am to WonderWartHawg
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The fiscal irresponsibility has been newsworthy. Guess it should have been swept under the rug and everybody would be happy.
If we could sweep shite under the rug successfully, we wouldn't have gone winless in the SEC this year
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Posted on 12/12/13 at 8:22 am to OSqueal
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Sorry for being a veteran. Will try harder my next life.
Veteran here. Have both an undergrad and a master's degree paid for by the Air Force. Live in Arkansas.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:25 am to Hog on the Hill
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Do you think there's value in increasing the number of degree holders in our state? If your answer is 'yes' then I don't see how you can take issue with his statement.
While an individual can be very competent and productive without a degree, the attainment of higher education is vital on a societal level.
I think it's ridiculous to accuse a future graduate of UA of being an attention whore because he publicly advocated for the university. Isn't it one of the university's missions to produce good citizens who are capable of engaging in constructive public discourse?
For some reason, Pigfeet thinks it's a great idea to encourage apathy and passivity by denigrating people who speak up about something they care about--something that is actually an important issue in our state.
Depends on the degree.......
bullshite.....Society needs people who can get things accomplished. Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians.
I'm going to assume you are still in school by your name.You might want to take a few more classes to distinguish between two different posters. I never called him an attention whore.
What that kid went off on doesnt affect our state. Kids dont have to go to Arkansas.
The way i look at college kids and young graduates is like this. You know just enough to frick shite up.
Now after all of that, i never said having a degree is bad. I have told my son he is going to college. I just don't like being looked down upon by a snot nosed little shits who thinks they are better because of a price of paper.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:20 am to Porker Face
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So, while I do not know what is going on at “UA-F,” here at the University of Arkansas, we’re doing just fine.
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Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:22 am to Porker Face
I got the article too but am not sure what it is in response too. If it is the Diamond/Gearhart saga, then the article doesn't really make sense. The Diamond/Gearhart issue is one of stewardship and accountability and doesn't reflect on the students, faculty or their academic achievements. I just don't see the article being in response to criticisms of Gearhart.
Anyone have more insight?
Anyone have more insight?
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:24 am to OSqueal
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OSqueal
I don't think anyone of substance looks down on people without a degree. There are way too many super successful and highly intelligent people without a "degree".
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:39 am to OSqueal
quote:I registered over four years ago and my location is NYC. Do you think I'm still a student? (I'm not)
I'm going to assume you are still in school by your name.You might want to take a few more classes to distinguish between two different posters. I never called him an attention whore.
Please note that I didn't say it's ridiculous for you to accuse him of being an attention whore. I know you aren't the one who said that. I made that comment for rhetorical effect and because I was not addressing only you with that post.
quote:Having a degree doesn't make you a chief. For instance, I have three degrees and while I'm in a very specialized and challenging medical profession, I don't have any management duties at all. Sometimes, you need a formal education to know how to get certain things done. This is especially true for technical and medical professions.
bullshite.....Society needs people who can get things accomplished. Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians.
quote:I don't blame you, but that's not what is happening here. No one in this thread has said anything to denigrate you or any specific people who don't have degrees. The point was that Arkansas has fewer college graduates than average, with the implication that it would be better if we had more people with degrees. I think this is a perfectly reasonable statement and I'd be surprised if you disagree. As you said, you'd like your son to go to college. I think most parents in Arkansas want their kids to go to college. If this is true, then our state as a whole would like more college graduates.
I just don't like being looked down upon by a snot nosed little shits who thinks they are better because of a price of paper.
This post was edited on 12/12/13 at 10:53 am
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:01 am to Hog on the Hill
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don't blame you, but that's not what is happening here. You come off as being oversensitive regarding this subject, to be honest.
I'm not "overly sensitive". I just get sick a tired of people coming off like they are so more superior because they have a degree. That's it. That is the whole justification of my original statement. Congrates on your education. I'm happy for you.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:19 am to OSqueal
quote:Yeah, but no one is doing what you are accusing them of doing. That's why you're being oversensitive.
I'm not "overly sensitive". I just get sick a tired of people coming off like they are so more superior because they have a degree. That's it. That is the whole justification of my original statement. Congrates on your education. I'm happy for you.
Dude made a pretty broad and widely accepted implication that it would be better for our state to have more college graduates since we are ranked #49 in the United States. YOU took it personally. That's textbook hypersensitivity.
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