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re: The mystery of Brandon Allen
Posted on 9/27/15 at 4:32 pm to TheCheshireHog
Posted on 9/27/15 at 4:32 pm to TheCheshireHog
I don't think Brandon Allen ever recovered from being thrown to the wolves against Bama in his first career start.
He is the anti-Matt Jones. Jones could look like crud for most of a game only to reach down and somehow summon up a game winning drive out of nowhere. BA just does not have it at the end of close games.
He has played his heart out and gone through his share of injuries during his stay on the hill. It is a shame he's going to be stuck with the record for worst Arkansas QB in terms of wins/losses.
Brandon Allen is the poster boy of the Bielema stay at Arkansas (whether you like Bert or not). Lots of promise but when it counts he falls apart.
He is the anti-Matt Jones. Jones could look like crud for most of a game only to reach down and somehow summon up a game winning drive out of nowhere. BA just does not have it at the end of close games.
He has played his heart out and gone through his share of injuries during his stay on the hill. It is a shame he's going to be stuck with the record for worst Arkansas QB in terms of wins/losses.
Brandon Allen is the poster boy of the Bielema stay at Arkansas (whether you like Bert or not). Lots of promise but when it counts he falls apart.
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Posted on 9/27/15 at 4:57 pm to Arksulli
Allen isn't the reason the record is what it is this year.
Go back and read what all the "experts" said he needed to do for the team to be successful this year, then examine what he has done and you will see he has exceeded what was "needed" or "expected" of him.
Other areas of the team has been subpar and has lead to the record, areas that were thought to be a strength going into the season have turned out to be weaknesses, those areas are what has let the team down, not Brandon Allen.
The only thing in common with all the late game plays that result in losses are the plays prior that would have prevented the games to ever have the need to come down to one last play.
However, going forward, the season's chances at continuing after November are going to be clearer after the next couple of weeks meaning by mid-October the obvious choice will be to stay the course with BA at QB or start prepping for next season.
Staffs say all the time that bowl practices are important not for the bowl game, but for getting replacements ready for the following season, a loss to Tennessee means this staff is going to have a shite ton of practices and live scrimmages to get the team ready for next season.
If AA or RP is not the answer for the position next year, then you stay with BA in the games but give starter like reps to Storey or Town in practice, you do not claim the start to a new season and burn a redshirt after next week.
I would be all for benching the players leaving early or graduating and getting the new guys reps with a loss to Tenner, but realize you can not do that and hurt a guys draft stock if you want to recruit anyone with NFL goals going forward.
Bert may not like to do it, but he needs to trim the dead weight in the upper classes, force transfers, so that he can sign a full 25 class this season and going forward until the larger issues with the team are fixed.
Go back and read what all the "experts" said he needed to do for the team to be successful this year, then examine what he has done and you will see he has exceeded what was "needed" or "expected" of him.
Other areas of the team has been subpar and has lead to the record, areas that were thought to be a strength going into the season have turned out to be weaknesses, those areas are what has let the team down, not Brandon Allen.
The only thing in common with all the late game plays that result in losses are the plays prior that would have prevented the games to ever have the need to come down to one last play.
However, going forward, the season's chances at continuing after November are going to be clearer after the next couple of weeks meaning by mid-October the obvious choice will be to stay the course with BA at QB or start prepping for next season.
Staffs say all the time that bowl practices are important not for the bowl game, but for getting replacements ready for the following season, a loss to Tennessee means this staff is going to have a shite ton of practices and live scrimmages to get the team ready for next season.
If AA or RP is not the answer for the position next year, then you stay with BA in the games but give starter like reps to Storey or Town in practice, you do not claim the start to a new season and burn a redshirt after next week.
I would be all for benching the players leaving early or graduating and getting the new guys reps with a loss to Tenner, but realize you can not do that and hurt a guys draft stock if you want to recruit anyone with NFL goals going forward.
Bert may not like to do it, but he needs to trim the dead weight in the upper classes, force transfers, so that he can sign a full 25 class this season and going forward until the larger issues with the team are fixed.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 5:11 pm to DaleDenton
Good post, DD. Need to get back to "old school" practices, philosophies, and actions.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 6:04 pm to DaleDenton
Say what you will....at the end of all 3 games he had easy throws that would have won the game or put us back in it and he simply choked.
The throw at Sprinkle's feet against Tech was bad.
The throw at Sprinkle's feet against Aggies was worse.
The air mail over Henry's head against Toledo was the worst.
All easy throws, that he just blew!
The throw at Sprinkle's feet against Tech was bad.
The throw at Sprinkle's feet against Aggies was worse.
The air mail over Henry's head against Toledo was the worst.
All easy throws, that he just blew!
This post was edited on 9/27/15 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 9/27/15 at 8:26 pm to DaleDenton
I am not saying Brandon Allen is the only person responsible for those losses. Far from it.
I am saying he just does not have it when it comes to pulling out clutch plays when the game is on the line.
That doesn't make him a lousy QB or a worse person. He is who he is. He's bounced around between OCs, he has been put into positions he wasn't ready for, and now he is gunshy when it comes to close games.
There are a lot of people out there who are good at their jobs but just cannot handle crunch time for whatever reason.
BA is going to unfairly get stuck with a label that doesn't fit him. We know he has a tendency to seize up in close games. Maybe after all this time the coaching staff shouldn't insist on dropping the burden of the game on his shoulders.
I am saying he just does not have it when it comes to pulling out clutch plays when the game is on the line.
That doesn't make him a lousy QB or a worse person. He is who he is. He's bounced around between OCs, he has been put into positions he wasn't ready for, and now he is gunshy when it comes to close games.
There are a lot of people out there who are good at their jobs but just cannot handle crunch time for whatever reason.
BA is going to unfairly get stuck with a label that doesn't fit him. We know he has a tendency to seize up in close games. Maybe after all this time the coaching staff shouldn't insist on dropping the burden of the game on his shoulders.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:15 pm to theenemy
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Say what you will....at the end of all 3 games he had easy throws that would have won the game or put us back in it and he simply choked.
Agree, but Texas Tech scored on the very next drive anyways so it wouldn't have mattered.
Both of those against Tech and A&M had penalties that put us in a difficult situation IIRC
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:27 pm to gohogs141
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Both of those against Tech and A&M had penalties that put us in a difficult situation IIRC
My problem with the whole "BA isn't clutch" uproar is the fact that we don't have one clutch person on our two deep.
BA may be sailing passes and shrinking in big moments, but we have an offensive line that literally cannot help themselves when it comes to fricking up in crucial situations, receivers who drop passes and run wrong routes at inopportune times, a D-line that can't get pressure in crucial situations, and a back seven who can't cover or stop the big play when it counts the most.
Heck, I don't even trust our special teams in those moments, and they've been horrendous in the Bielema era, though they look like they're greatly improved this year.
So I don't beat the "BA isn't clutch" drum because we have an entire roster of guys who come up small when it counts the most.
This post was edited on 9/27/15 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 9/27/15 at 11:21 pm to Feral
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So I don't beat the "BA isn't clutch" drum because we have an entire roster of guys who come up small when it counts the most.
That is my point, ever since BA has first saw action, he has been blamed for many losses that were no more his fault than the players and staff around him.
I remember being threatened with a ban for calling it like it was being Paul Petrin's fault for the ULM loss on HiV, the mod's reasoning was if Bobby saw that he wouldn't come back, lol.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 6:14 am to DaleDenton
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I remember being threatened with a ban for calling it like it was being Paul Petrin's fault for the ULM loss on HiV, the mod's reasoning was if Bobby saw that he wouldn't come back, lol.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:14 am to TheCheshireHog
This is just for this past game, not sure how many others are similar but definitely interesting to look at. I think it provides good insight into "the mystery."
1:03 left in 3rd Q, Brandon Allen pass completed to Drew Morgan for 38 yards. Allen then did not throw a pass in the 4th Q. BA's next pass after that 38-yarder was in OT after A&M took the lead. Was a 64 minute, 27-second span of real time between those 2 passes.
1:03 left in 3rd Q, Brandon Allen pass completed to Drew Morgan for 38 yards. Allen then did not throw a pass in the 4th Q. BA's next pass after that 38-yarder was in OT after A&M took the lead. Was a 64 minute, 27-second span of real time between those 2 passes.
This post was edited on 9/28/15 at 10:16 am
Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:11 pm to TheCheshireHog
Yes I'm sure most don't know this but he came from a small school in North Louisiana that is a football powerhouse, I believe they have 18 state titles now, and all they run on offense is the veer. He's played fullback since he was 10 years old that should be our starting fullback.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:51 pm to DaleDenton
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Bert may not like to do it, but he needs to trim the dead weight in the upper classes, force transfers, so that he can sign a full 25 class this season and going forward until the larger issues with the team are fixed.
Looking at you Cordale Boyd, KyTyrus Marks, Denzel Evans, Reeve Koehler, Scotty Thurman Jr.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 8:40 am to OnYourToes
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Was a 64 minute, 27-second span of real time between those 2 passes.
There were pass plays called, BA chose to tuck and run on all of them.
I think he took a too conservative approach and didn't let it fly like the 1st three quarters.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 9:00 am to theenemy
BA plays well until he feels the pressure.
You would think out of sheer luck he would eventually make a play when it counts. A blown coverage or something. It's unbelievable.
You would think out of sheer luck he would eventually make a play when it counts. A blown coverage or something. It's unbelievable.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:20 am to swhog355
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Yes I'm sure most don't know this but he came from a small school in North Louisiana that is a football powerhouse, I believe they have 18 state titles now, and all they run on offense is the veer. He's played fullback since he was 10 years old that should be our starting fullback.
That's great information. I definitely didn't know it but it makes sense considering how good he looks so far. Thanks for sharing this with us.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 2:51 pm to theenemy
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There were pass plays called, BA chose to tuck and run on all of them.
I think he took a too conservative approach and didn't let it fly like the 1st three quarters.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:04 pm to theenemy
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There were pass plays called, BA chose to tuck and run on all of them.
I think he took a too conservative approach and didn't let it fly like the 1st three quarters.
He made the smart decision, had he let it fly and threw a pick that lead to a score and the same outcome of the game, the bitch would be how he has to make smarter decisions, trying to win a game instead of manage it, etc.
He is in a no win situation for many, all that can be found is his faults with them.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:07 pm to DaleDenton
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He is in a no win situation for many, all that can be found is his faults with them.
You're right, he's definitely in a no win situation. No wins as in he can't bring us any fricking wins
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:11 pm to Porker Face
I still don't like the two pass plays called in OT. I would've been fine with two runs, even if they got stuffed. The coaches have to know Allen will not, and will never, do well in crunch time. No reason at all to give him another chance.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:17 pm to Gladius Veritas
The first live play from a scrimmage for the offense was a first and 15 after a false start in OT.
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