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re: State senator places hold on University of Arkansas budget because of anthem

Posted on 11/10/16 at 2:19 pm to
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 11/10/16 at 2:19 pm to
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because it isn't true.
Look I understand, not everyone is smarter than a 5th grader.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43951 posts
Posted on 11/10/16 at 3:36 pm to
Look up the data either total # of deaths per race by law enforcement or % per race.

Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:17 pm to
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total # of deaths per race by law enforcement or % per race.
No one refutes that, stop being ignorant. Proportion of deaths compared to population is the only thing that means anything in terms of profiling and racism.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:36 pm to
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One of the girls that kneeled is the daughter of a long time NBA player.

Can't tell me that she's had a life of discrimination.
You have no idea what she's experienced, and neither do I. Questioning her motives and experiences based on your assumptions about her life is not smart.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43951 posts
Posted on 11/10/16 at 6:35 pm to
Then provide the data to prove your point.

Otherwise your confusing real data with media exposure...
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 11/10/16 at 8:07 pm to
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Then provide the data to prove your point.

Otherwise your confusing real data with media exposure...
Actually knowing people of color and talking to them about their life experiences is a pretty good way to learn what they're talking about.

You're making assumptions about the lives of people you've never met. It doesn't hurt to actually listen to them versus cite irrelevant stats.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43951 posts
Posted on 11/10/16 at 8:18 pm to
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Actually knowing people of color and talking to them about their life experiences is a pretty good way to learn what they're talking about.

You're making assumptions about the lives of people you've never met. It doesn't hurt to actually listen to them versus cite irrelevant stats.


So because I, and every piece of available data, doesn't agree with your stance, I must be:

Not a person of color
Not know any people of color
Not have grown up in a colored community
Not have any relations to inner cities

I appreciate you coming here to correct me about my life experiences.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 11/10/16 at 9:43 pm to
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So because I, and every piece of available data, doesn't agree with your stance, I must be:

Not a person of color
Not know any people of color
Not have grown up in a colored community
Not have any relations to inner cities

I appreciate you coming here to correct me about my life experiences.
I meant the six women on the basketball team who are protesting, but I understand why that was unclear.

I've seen a lot of people in this thread and elsewhere making assumptions about their experiences ("they haven't experienced real discrimination") and their motives ("they just want attention").

Citing statistics to refute their protest, and implying that they haven't experienced real discrimination (based on your comment about Nolan), gave me the impression that you were doing the same thing.
This post was edited on 11/10/16 at 9:45 pm
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
43951 posts
Posted on 11/10/16 at 10:00 pm to
Nolan grew up during Jim Crowe, no one playing sports today ever experience that true systematic discrimination in their lives.

Everyone in this country has experienced some form or bias or discrimination against them at some point in their lives, the reasons for this can often differ from the perceived reasons by each side in each case.

The protest was started by Kaepernick, who if he really had any knowledge of how real change is brought about in this country he would have voted on Tuesday, which he did not.

It has brought him attention and those who followed attention, almost all of it bad and negative. Their reason has largely been overlooked or lost in the noise, at which point they need to reevaluate the methods of delivering their message, if that is truly what their purpose is and not to garner attention from the masses.
Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
12536 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 1:08 am to
Well said, a-hole. ;)
Posted by Hawgeye
tFlagship Brothel
Member since Jun 2009
32523 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 6:45 am to
Obviously most of us have seen that the women will no longer be kneeling for the anthem. It seems as though what helped them make this decision is that there were quite a few schools who said they would not be bussing their elementary school students to the game today, on veterans day, to let their children see the women kneeling during the national anthem. I am not sure how many schools backed out, but I heard it was quite a few.

Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 10:28 am to
Washington Post Article LINK
Statistics are accurate as of July 10th, 2016
quote:

White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

quote:

U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times larger than the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer.

quote:

About 13 percent of all black people who have been fatally shot by police since January 2015 were unarmed, compared with 7 percent of all white people.

You literally must have never read an unbiased article on this issue.
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
24150 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 1:11 pm to
here we go....

I will be called a racist, of which I don't believe I am.

There are more African American men killing other African American men than anyone.

African Americans make up the majority of the worst areas in the inner cities of larger metro areas..

The crime rate overall must be placed in perspective here, what are the crimes, where are the majority committed, and by whom?

and last but not least... Yep, this one will pizz a few off. Where are the fathers at? Of all of our kids...
Where are the men who are responsible of aiding, supporting, teaching, admonishing these kids, and families for their future?

If they are in jail, we may have one of the answers...
Posted by Person of interest
The Hill
Member since Jan 2014
1786 posts
Posted on 11/11/16 at 4:45 pm to
Most murders are committed by someone who knew the victim. So yes more blacks are killed by their own race just as most whites are killed by someone of their race.
Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
12536 posts
Posted on 11/12/16 at 2:22 am to
It's almost like black people commit a lot more crime, per capita.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
50542 posts
Posted on 11/12/16 at 10:14 am to
I'm a Republican, and Alan Clark is an idiot. I wish his ilk would leave the party.

Fact folks: those girls have the right to do what they did. I don't like it. I hate it. But they have the legal right to fricking do it.

And Alan Clark is simply one of the people who overreach and give the dipshits at Arkansas Times fodder to trash the entire GOP.

I support Jeff Long's statement. I don't like Jimmy Dykes' statement afterward. Jimmy's sounded almost "in your face." Jeff's was the same scripted-by-legal message any AD would have used at any university.


Should Tim Tebow have been allowed to have the scriptures on his eye-black? Yes. Consistency. Somebody doesn't like Tebow doing that? frick them. He had a right to do it.

This is all a slippery slope. The issues that could be related are numerous. Can an ex felon vote? Not sure the Virginia statute, but the answer is commonly "no." Well if they paid their debt to society, they should be able to vote, whether anyone likes it or not. IF they paid their debt. Same for gun ownership. Can't own a gun if you're a past felon? Even if you've paid your debt to society? What happens when an overreaching govt decides to circumvent gun rights with trumped up felony charges? Think about it.


Consistency people. This is not the fricking fifth grade playground.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
50542 posts
Posted on 11/12/16 at 10:20 am to
and I"m obviously glad they stopped

and I'm very proud of the men's team for not doing it
Posted by HogFanfromHTown
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2015
3597 posts
Posted on 11/12/16 at 11:31 am to
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It's almost like black people can't afford proper representation and are convicted of a lot more crime, per capita.

FIFY
This post was edited on 11/12/16 at 11:32 am
Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
12536 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 1:16 pm to
That may very well be true. But they're also not convicted as highly due to the "snitches get stitches" mantra. Don't hear much of that in the suburbs.
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