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Spinoff thread, what is the BB, Baseball, and Football equvalent of wins
Posted on 2/9/19 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 2/9/19 at 7:10 pm
In comparison...
Making the tourney equals what in football? Baseball?
Not that we have to worry about it.. But, Sweet 16 equals what in Football? Baseball?
Final 4 equals what???
We for some reason want to compare our coaches, and programs. Football has sucked since BP left, but he got us into a BCS game, Bert got us to the Belk bowl, what is the equivalents, thanks
Making the tourney equals what in football? Baseball?
Not that we have to worry about it.. But, Sweet 16 equals what in Football? Baseball?
Final 4 equals what???
We for some reason want to compare our coaches, and programs. Football has sucked since BP left, but he got us into a BCS game, Bert got us to the Belk bowl, what is the equivalents, thanks
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Posted on 2/9/19 at 7:16 pm to Razorback Reverend
Depends on the league difficulty.
Football and baseball have much stronger difficulty level than basketball in past 5-10 years.
When Mike was first hired the SEC had some really, really bad basketball coaches.
Under Bielema we started the trend of losing in football to State, A&M which we haven’t historically and we played Auburn fairly close to .500.
Football and baseball have much stronger difficulty level than basketball in past 5-10 years.
When Mike was first hired the SEC had some really, really bad basketball coaches.
Under Bielema we started the trend of losing in football to State, A&M which we haven’t historically and we played Auburn fairly close to .500.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 7:22 pm to Razorback Reverend
Well on a very basic level
There are 68 teams that make the NCAA tournament. That is a little over 19% of the total number of D1 teams in basketball.
19% of all D1 schools in football comes out to a little over 24 teams.
On this very basic level, reaching the top 25 in football could be similar to making the NCAA tournament.
An even better comparison would be only looking at the teams that make the NCAA tournament on an at large bid because obviously there are many teams in the dance they are not in the top 19% of competition. That sounds like too much work for now though.
There are 68 teams that make the NCAA tournament. That is a little over 19% of the total number of D1 teams in basketball.
19% of all D1 schools in football comes out to a little over 24 teams.
On this very basic level, reaching the top 25 in football could be similar to making the NCAA tournament.
An even better comparison would be only looking at the teams that make the NCAA tournament on an at large bid because obviously there are many teams in the dance they are not in the top 19% of competition. That sounds like too much work for now though.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 7:35 pm to Razorback Reverend
Just make the post season. It's really not difficult if you do your job. It must suck to walk around in glamorous facilities, hang out with kids all day, coach a sport you love and make millions.
If you were Mike would you be standing quiet on the sidelines or fire up your players? Nothing will change until change is made.
This goes for all sports. Look at football, 2-10 and those coaches busted their arse recruiting. Not only that, they processed the ones who weren't earning their keep. Mike on the other hand sits there and has fans that say - it's okay, he's got a young team.
Excuses are shite. Earn your keep and show that you care. That's what I believe.
If you were Mike would you be standing quiet on the sidelines or fire up your players? Nothing will change until change is made.
This goes for all sports. Look at football, 2-10 and those coaches busted their arse recruiting. Not only that, they processed the ones who weren't earning their keep. Mike on the other hand sits there and has fans that say - it's okay, he's got a young team.
Excuses are shite. Earn your keep and show that you care. That's what I believe.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 7:50 pm to rockiee
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Well on a very basic level
The Hogs have finished 3 of the last 4 seasons in the football equivalent of the top 25.
And with an outside shot of making it 4 of the last 5.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 8:33 pm to BoarEd
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The Hogs have finished 3 of the last 4 seasons in the football equivalent of the top 25.
And with an outside shot of making it 4 of the last 5.
So how many top 25 finishes have we had? My god you are by far the most delusional frick on this board.
Posted on 2/9/19 at 8:43 pm to ShreveportHog94
Good god, go back to the poli board
Posted on 2/9/19 at 9:04 pm to cubsfan5150
You idiots are more out of touch with reality than they are. But answer me how many weeks Mike has been in the top 25. I'll wait.
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Posted on 2/9/19 at 9:25 pm to ShreveportHog94
I would equate a sweet 16 with a NY6 bowl, Mike hasn’t done that and Morris would be fired if he made it this long without one
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Posted on 2/9/19 at 10:11 pm to Latarian
Yup
Posted on 2/10/19 at 7:09 am to BoarEd
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The Hogs have finished 3 of the last 4 seasons in the football equivalent of the top 25.
Mike has finished in the top 25 3 times in 17 years.
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Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:15 am to ArHog
Some of you guys apparently can't frickin read. 
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:17 am to Razorback Reverend
Basketball and football are probably the easiest to compare one another. Making the NCAAT is like making a bowl game.
Yes, there are a whole lot more basketball teams then there are FBS football teams, but most of those teams are trapped in one bid leagues. Its why you see a ton of 25 win teams from the smaller conferences fail to make the big dance because they lost in their conference tourney.
If you make the round of 32 then you made it to a bowl people might have heard of instead of the Mound Bayou Plumbing Supplies Bowl. Sweet 16 is one of the bigger non NY6 bowls. Elite 8 is a NY 6 Bowl and Final Four is the CFP.
Some may complain that this is too difficult a comparison for basketball. We can say making the Elite 8 in the NIT is like making a super crappy bowl game.
Baseball is similar. Making a Regional is like making a bowl game, a Super Regional is a bowl game someone has actually heard of. Going to the CWS is like making an NY6 bowl, and making the semifinals of the CWS is the CFP.
So... for our current coaches... Chad has not made a bowl game in 1 season (and posted the worst season in Arkansas football history). Mike Anderson has made 3 bowls in 7 completed season, 2 of them decent bowls and one crappy bowl.
Dave Van Horn has only missed going to a bowl game one season out of the 16 years he's been here. 9 have been crappy bowl games. 1 has been a decent bowl. 2 NY 6 bowls and 3 appearances in the CFP.
Yes, there are a whole lot more basketball teams then there are FBS football teams, but most of those teams are trapped in one bid leagues. Its why you see a ton of 25 win teams from the smaller conferences fail to make the big dance because they lost in their conference tourney.
If you make the round of 32 then you made it to a bowl people might have heard of instead of the Mound Bayou Plumbing Supplies Bowl. Sweet 16 is one of the bigger non NY6 bowls. Elite 8 is a NY 6 Bowl and Final Four is the CFP.
Some may complain that this is too difficult a comparison for basketball. We can say making the Elite 8 in the NIT is like making a super crappy bowl game.
Baseball is similar. Making a Regional is like making a bowl game, a Super Regional is a bowl game someone has actually heard of. Going to the CWS is like making an NY6 bowl, and making the semifinals of the CWS is the CFP.
So... for our current coaches... Chad has not made a bowl game in 1 season (and posted the worst season in Arkansas football history). Mike Anderson has made 3 bowls in 7 completed season, 2 of them decent bowls and one crappy bowl.
Dave Van Horn has only missed going to a bowl game one season out of the 16 years he's been here. 9 have been crappy bowl games. 1 has been a decent bowl. 2 NY 6 bowls and 3 appearances in the CFP.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 9:54 am to Arksulli
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Making the NCAAT is like making a bowl game.
Not even close.
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Yes, there are a whole lot more basketball teams then there are FBS football teams, but most of those teams are trapped in one bid leagues. Its why you see a ton of 25 win teams from the smaller conferences fail to make the big dance because they lost in their conference tourney.
You're not following your own logic. 25 win teams don't make the tournament, 6 win teams from small conferences make bowls. Teams with losing records make bowls now!
This is really simple. Out of 347 teams, 68 make the tournament. Out of 129 FBS teams, 82 were bowl eligible last year. It's a lot harder to make the tournament, that's the whole point.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 10:23 am to Stonehog
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Not even close.
Bless you Stoney. I wasn't sure I was right on that one but now that I know you disagree I can rest easy in the knowledge I was right.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 10:37 am to Arksulli
Let's try again.
True or false: 20 percent and 65 percent are the same thing.
True or false: 20 percent and 65 percent are the same thing.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 11:36 am to Stonehog
If you are content with just making the tournament every year that’s your choice (even though Mike doesn’t get us there regularly), I choose to base success on post season success, not just getting there. If Mike got us to an Elite 8 or even final four every 7 years that would be fine, he hasn’t even gotten us to a sweet 16, nor has he won a conference title. We should expect more from our once proud basketball program, there is no reason we can’t compete nationally, football has its limitations but not basketball.
This post was edited on 2/10/19 at 11:38 am
Posted on 2/10/19 at 11:37 am to Stonehog
Lets try again.
A decent P5 coach should expect, at the minimum to either make the NCAAT or advance far enough in the NIT its notable.
You are going with the numbers say this. I am going with the results say this. We will not agree on this issue.
I like Mike the same as most of the fan base does. The results, however, have not been there.
Now if we make the NCAA this year that will be 3 out of 4 years going to the Big Dance. The results would be there to give him another year. Or if we make the NIT and go on a deep run in that tournament, a bit more iffy but OK, another year.
Another season where we miss the NCAA tournament and fail to advance deep into the NIT and we are looking at 8 seasons with the school, only three of which were adequate. Bert got canned for 3 out of 5 seasons being adequate.
A decent P5 coach should expect, at the minimum to either make the NCAAT or advance far enough in the NIT its notable.
You are going with the numbers say this. I am going with the results say this. We will not agree on this issue.
I like Mike the same as most of the fan base does. The results, however, have not been there.
Now if we make the NCAA this year that will be 3 out of 4 years going to the Big Dance. The results would be there to give him another year. Or if we make the NIT and go on a deep run in that tournament, a bit more iffy but OK, another year.
Another season where we miss the NCAA tournament and fail to advance deep into the NIT and we are looking at 8 seasons with the school, only three of which were adequate. Bert got canned for 3 out of 5 seasons being adequate.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 11:54 am to Arksulli
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We will not agree on this issue.
There's nothing to agree on. It's harder to make the tournament than to make a bowl. This is a fact, not even up for debate.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 12:09 pm to Razorback Reverend
Final 4 equals Final 4 equals Final 4
BCS is now a dinosaur and going 0-for at CWS is not final four either
natty is a natty
not a natty means it ain't a natty
BCS is now a dinosaur and going 0-for at CWS is not final four either
natty is a natty
not a natty means it ain't a natty
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