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re: Spinoff thread, what is the BB, Baseball, and Football equvalent of wins
Posted on 2/10/19 at 12:27 pm to ArHog
Posted on 2/10/19 at 12:27 pm to ArHog
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Mike has finished in the top 25 3 times in 17 years.
Hahaha what a joke. Meanwhile Will Wade steps in to LSU and immediately puts them in contention for the SEC title. Anderson is a joke plain and simple.
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Posted on 2/10/19 at 12:43 pm to ShreveportHog94
Don’t forgot Bruce Pearl, Frank Martin and Rick Barnes
And yeah I don’t care that Pearl cheats
And yeah I don’t care that Pearl cheats
This post was edited on 2/10/19 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:00 pm to Latarian
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Bruce Pearl, Frank Martin
tell me, how much better has Pearl done at auburn than anderson in the same window? wins? tournament appearances? sweet 16s?
you people would be harping about the same points with Pearl or Martin as anderson.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:19 pm to cigsmcgee
A co-SEC championship, top 10 ranking, national relevance. Three things Pearl accomplished in 4 years at Auburn that Mike hasn’t in 8. So yeah, I’d take Pearl.
And I won’t even mentioned that Pearl inherited a team that won 23 games in 2 years. Anderson inherited one that won 18 games the year prior
And I won’t even mentioned that Pearl inherited a team that won 23 games in 2 years. Anderson inherited one that won 18 games the year prior
This post was edited on 2/10/19 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:23 pm to cigsmcgee
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tell me, how much better has Pearl done at auburn than anderson in the same window? wins? tournament appearances? sweet 16s?
you people would be harping about the same points with Pearl or Martin as anderson.
Their upside is way above anything Anderson will ever accomplish. We have seen what Anderson is capable of with the most talent he will ever field on a team.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:25 pm to ShreveportHog94
The only reason Anderson isn’t fired is because his history as an assistant, classic case of good old days syndrome
Posted on 2/10/19 at 1:40 pm to Latarian
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A co-SEC championship,
very down year that was wide open. Arkansas underachieving this year is the biggest point to be made against Anderson.
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top 10 ranking,
and what happened with this?
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national relevance
oh really? the press love Brucey Baby, not auburn, and auburn isnt relevant.
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So yeah, I’d take Pearl.
auburn is either getting a guy sent to prison or getting rolled on into post-season bans and scholly loses all for about 5 more wins and a co-regular season banner with no second weekend appearances in the tournament. id hardly call that much improvement considering Bruce was handed a blank check and clean slate, unlike Mike.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 2:11 pm to cigsmcgee
Lol nice spin bro, I brought facts, you can qualify that shite all you want but Pearl has the accomplishments that Anderson doesnt, and he’s been there 3 years less.
ETA: I’m not here to fight we are all on the same team. I just have the expectation that Arkansas basketball should either get to a sweet 16 and/or win the SEC at least once every 4 years. I don’t think that’s unreasonable. Anderson is likely going to fail to do either in twice that amount of time. That’s unacceptable to me, nothing against him personally
ETA: I’m not here to fight we are all on the same team. I just have the expectation that Arkansas basketball should either get to a sweet 16 and/or win the SEC at least once every 4 years. I don’t think that’s unreasonable. Anderson is likely going to fail to do either in twice that amount of time. That’s unacceptable to me, nothing against him personally
This post was edited on 2/10/19 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 2/10/19 at 2:39 pm to Stonehog
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This is really simple. Out of 347 teams, 68 make the tournament. Out of 129 FBS teams, 82 were bowl eligible last year. It's a lot harder to make the tournament, that's the whole point.
This is so dumb. You can’t just take percentages when like 24 of the 32 conferences in basketball are automatically one-bid leagues.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 3:01 pm to Latarian
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I brought facts
other than wins, conf wins, tourney appearances, and tournament wins, in the same window.
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I just have the expectation that Arkansas basketball should either get to a sweet 16 and/or win the SEC at least once every 4 years. I don’t think that’s unreasonable.
i have the same expectations and i agree, it doesnt seem unreasonable, and im not some sunshine pumper that thinks Mike needs time. ive been pretty consistent with my thoughts on him.
i just dont think arkansas basketball is at a Bert-level nadir where any new coach will do. change for change's sake isnt needed.
we could fire Mike right now and id be fine with it, if i liked who we replaced him with. thats just not a sure thing in my mind.
i do get excited thinking about all the hoopla of a summer basketball head coaching search tho.
This post was edited on 2/10/19 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 2/10/19 at 4:52 pm to cigsmcgee
Then what are we arguing about my man? We both want the same thing. I’m probably more patient than most when it comes to giving a coach a chance, god knows I’ve taken some heat for being a Morris supporter despite 2-10. I just think there’s a double standard between MA and CM because of MA’s history with the program, which I think is unfair to CM but also is causing us to be complacent about basketball. If MA had zero connection to the program prior to becoming HC there is no way he lasts this long based on his resume. Hell we fired Stan Heath after back to back 20 win seasons and NCAAT appearances, and that was in year 4-5.
This post was edited on 2/10/19 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 2/10/19 at 5:46 pm to Latarian
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just think there’s a double standard between MA and CM because of MA’s history with the program,
the level of shame from football and basketball isnt comparable, as the bball program has, at worst, been middling. not to say its on Morris, but football has been embarrassing for a bit now. people trying to pin Bert and Mike on the same plane are being dishonest.
if you wanna talk about Mike being a crap x and o's coach, im with ya. or his recruiting whiffs feeding into roster mismanagement, lets roll. why cant he find a half decent small forward? why does he take out hot shooters? why does he back off the press at the wrong times or keep with it when its backfiring? all these things are big issues with me too.
but when i see Frank Martin! or Pearl! my knee jerk is to argue, because they're arguable points.
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If MA had zero connection to the program prior to becoming HC there is no way he lasts this long based on his resume.
but a coach with his resume would never have taken the arkansas job, in its toxic 2011 state, without a connection to the program and some assurances on job safety. with Long gone, id imagine time's running out for Mike, which is fine. he's been given a good run, and done just OK with it.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 6:00 pm to cigsmcgee
Agreed on football being an embarrassment but I’d argue the ceiling is higher for basketball and there is no reason we can’t compete for a league title every year and be a nationally relevant program. Football has its disadvantages, namely the division we play in and recruiting disadvantages we have. Football being “middling” is just a part of life in the SEC, basketball should never be in that position, especially over several years.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 6:41 pm to cigsmcgee
The level of shame is horrendous.
Football is a joke and Basketball is terrible
Blame the GOBN
After 50 years this program is an utter embarrassment to the fans.
Thank God for DVH
Football is a joke and Basketball is terrible
Blame the GOBN
After 50 years this program is an utter embarrassment to the fans.
Thank God for DVH
Posted on 2/10/19 at 7:32 pm to ArHog
Whelp... I agree with ArHog… is the world ending?
It is definitely easier to get basketball competitive than football. One to two high level players can get you in shape to compete.
How many high level players have left Arkansas and went to other program under MA's watch? One to florida, one to Moo State, who else?
It is definitely easier to get basketball competitive than football. One to two high level players can get you in shape to compete.
How many high level players have left Arkansas and went to other program under MA's watch? One to florida, one to Moo State, who else?
Posted on 2/10/19 at 7:42 pm to Razorback Reverend
Monk
Posted on 2/10/19 at 8:05 pm to Razorback Reverend
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Whelp... I agree with ArHog… is the world ending?
It's not ending yet, Razorback Athletics is an embarrassment.
Maybe Chadillac can get us there, but Mike, no way.
Hopefully Rockie, Sully, Lat and Chesh can take us to the next level.
My GAF is about broke.
This post was edited on 2/10/19 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 2/10/19 at 8:13 pm to Razorback Reverend
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How many high level players have left Arkansas and went to other program under MA's watch? One to florida, one to Moo State, who else?
I guess you are thinking of Perry in regards to Mississippi State but he wasn't from Arkansas.
I looked this up last year but I believe of the top seven recruits from the state, he has grabbed 3 of them since his tenure started at Arkansas. Obviously he isn't going to grab them all but I do believe we can do better than that.
Posted on 2/10/19 at 8:24 pm to Latarian
quote:This is really the main point behind everything. He doesn't work here right now if he doesn't have that history.
The only reason Anderson isn’t fired is because his history as an assistant, classic case of good old days syndrome
Posted on 2/10/19 at 8:25 pm to Razorback Reverend
quote:We lost one to Kansas this year already. Obviously Monk to Kentucky. We also lost more than one to Florida. I think they ended up with 3 Arkansans on their roster at one point.
How many high level players have left Arkansas and went to other program under MA's watch? One to florida, one to Moo State, who else?
This post was edited on 2/10/19 at 8:27 pm
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