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re: Question for you guys in the know

Posted on 10/24/17 at 9:50 pm to
Posted by RazorBroncs
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 9:50 pm to
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Think Subelt, Mac, CUSA and you'll be closer to the hire JL will give us.


Yeah, because this is so typical of that little scamp Long and our football program, amirite?


Oh wait... I often get us confused with Tennessee too.


I have no clue why our fans insist on taking myths like these and running with them when they're proven false fairly easily, but there's several that get passed around like this.
Posted by cubsfan5150
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 9:56 pm to
Can you provide some evidence that led you to that assumption?

Posted by Woopigsooie20
Me Scusi
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 10:29 pm to
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Think Subelt, Mac, CUSA and you'll be closer to the hire JL will give us


He hasn't hired a coach in a major sport outside of NFL or power 5 school.
Posted by hilltophog
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 11:00 pm to
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He hasn't hired a coach in a major sport outside of NFL or power 5 school.

Hell, Long got Deifel (softball) and Neighbors (women's basketball) and Watson (volleyball) all from P5 schools.
Posted by WonderWartHawg
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 6:58 am to
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Think Subelt, Mac, CUSA and you'll be closer to the hire JL will give us.


I think the odds are a whole lot better of it being someone from that level.
My thinking is who in a P5 conference that is doing well enough to be considered, would want to jump into this fire?
Playing Bama, LSU, Auburn every year as conference games...
Always being short on recruiting base.

Bielema jumped, but I don't think he really knew what he was getting in to and is just not able to get it done at this level.

Maybe there's someone that just wants the hell of a challenge, but there won't be very many of them.
This post was edited on 10/25/17 at 6:59 am
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 7:25 am to
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My thinking is who in a P5 conference that is doing well enough to be considered, would want to jump into this fire? 


I think that most people will jump at the right money. I mean, we say these things every time we are getting ready to make a hire, but we still land good coaches. Hell if someone wanted to pay me enough money, I'd move to Antarctica to work.
Posted by Hawgeye
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 9:04 am to
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My thinking is who in a P5 conference that is doing well enough to be considered, would want to jump into this fire?


Our situation isn't that bad.

Petrino proved a coach can win 10-11 games a year here. Nutt proved that you can take Arkansas to the SEC title game.

The roster isn't void of talent. Bret just can't build a program for shite and it's shown. Someone who knows what they're doing can likely come in and win 8 games their first season.

Great facilities, $$ to spend, new stadium renovation, great fan support, etc.
Posted by RazorBroncs
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 9:14 am to
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My thinking is who in a P5 conference that is doing well enough to be considered, would want to jump into this fire?


We wouldnt want a coach that thinks he can't win at ANY school, as any coach worth his salt has an ego and confidence that leads him to believe he can and will win regardless.

Some of yall act as if we're South Northwestern College of the Arts - East Campus. This is the big time SEC and only a couple, if any, of those jobs open up every year.
Posted by Feral
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 9:36 am to
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The roster isn't void of talent. Bret just can't build a program for shite and it's shown. Someone who knows what they're doing can likely come in and win 8 games their first season.


Completely agree.

I laugh when I see talk about how the next coach is going have a complete rebuild on his hands, because it's run of the mill fan myopia. We have talent up and down the roster and there's a lot of talented youth on this team, we just have piss poor coaching that isn't developing or making the best use of it.

In addition to a young talent at QB (who needs to develop), we have underclassman and/or returning talent at RB, WR, TE, LB, and throughout most of the secondary. We'll also have Agim, Capps and Guidry back on DL, though it remains to be seen what scheme we'll be running.

In addition to that, we get guys like Jamario Bell, Ryan Pulley, Chase Hayden, and potentially Cornelius back from injury.

Quite literally the only glaring weak spot is at OL, though we do return pretty much everyone aside from Ragnow. Hopefully our new HC put immense focus on hiring a quality OL coach.
This post was edited on 10/25/17 at 9:37 am
Posted by GoldenSombrero
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 9:37 am to
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My thinking is who in a P5 conference that is doing well enough to be considered, would want to jump into this fire?
Playing Bama, LSU, Auburn every year as conference games...
Always being short on recruiting base.


Bama is tough but LSU and Auburn are winnable games every year. Plus I don't remember Shula, DuBose or Franchione doing anything special at Bama.

My point is nearly every team in this conference is 1 HC away from being great. No reason we can't find a great one as well.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:01 am to
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Our situation isn't that bad.



I think a lot of people tend to be defeatist when it comes to this stuff. They look at the fact that Arkansas is losing games and just assume people think the entire program sucks, but it just isn't true. Arkansas has top flight facilities, cash to spend, and plays in the premier conference in the country. The job would be extremely attractive to a lot of coaches. Even other "middle of the pack P5 schools." If you factor in things like booming local economy and low crime rates it becomes a wonderful place to raise a family (I wish I had the ability to invest heavily in real estate around here, for instance).

Let's consider someone like Matt Campbell. He is coaching at Iowa State. A middle of the road P5 school in a middle tier conference. I don't know what he makes there, but if I had to guess I would say somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.5 million. Well Arkansas could easily double his pay. Arkansas can offer better facilities, and better opportunity to develop pro caliber athletes.

Would a guy like that consider the risk that comes with an Arkansas gig? Absolutely, if you ask me. He has already shown an ability to take down programs much larger than his own, and in the SEC he would have a chance to prove his abilities against the very best teams in the country, year in and year out.

He is one of my favorite candidates and I KNOW he would at least consider the position very seriously if not jump at the opportunity.

Hell, I only make around 80,000 a year. If someone wanted to offer me even 300,000 a year I would move to frickin Syria to work. It's hard to even imagine what I would do with 4.5 million or even 5 million a year.

At the end of the day though, these people expressing their defeatism and "poor lil ole Arkysaw" syndrome should be pleasantly surprised by the caliber coach we are able to get. I don't know who it will end up being, but I'm confident they'll be great at their job.

As far as the debate over offense or defense and "we can't get defensive recruits", this too is false. If Arkansas elects to go with a defensive guru, Arkansas will land good defensive talent. Players will travel to play for the best. Look at what Muschamp has done at Carolina. That defense is tough. Scored 21 damn points on our offense. Lol. At another place that traditionally struggles to field great defenses.

You either need someone who is an Ace recruiter, or someone who is widely considered to be one of the absolute best coaches in the business. At that point whatever system they wanna run is fine by me.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:05 am to
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My point is nearly every team in this conference is 1 HC away from being great. No reason we can't find a great one as well.




Absolutely. The right coach can change an entire region's culture in these regards. What's Alabama's biggest benefit? Winning culture. Tradition. If it weren't for Bear Bryant they would be little better than Auburn.

Look at basketball recruiting in Arkansas. Small state. Same problems the football team faces, but the talent is just oozing out of this state right now. It's a cultural shift. I honestly think it's because people my age were coming up playing ball back when Nolan was killing it here. Two straight national title games and we consider ourselves a basketball state. Now our kids are coming up loving the game 25 years later.

One coach can change everything.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
26737 posts
Posted on 10/25/17 at 11:18 am to
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I laugh when I see talk about how the next coach is going have a complete rebuild on his hands, because it's run of the mill fan myopia


I do think that the next coach probably has a bumpy first season, not because we are completely devoid of talent, but because the players are going to have to unlearn a lot of bad habits they've slid into over the last few years.

It might take a year just to get the team in shape after the Body by Herb program.

That having been said the schedule is not, by SEC standards, especially unforgiving. Schools in other conference would think of it as a march through hell while covered in gasoline, but for us its a fairly light season thankfully. A good coach can easily have this team bowl eligible and if he catches some breaks hit 8 wins in the season.
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 6:03 pm to
So, who would settle for having some of the assistants fired and keeping CBB for another season?



Yeah, that's what I thought. So a dude on tardville posted his contact info.

and then thinking about what Razorbronks said about if the right coach wasn't available then CBB might stick around, I made sent a text to a friend in NW Ar.

and he said, "It has been discussed to get rid of Anderson and bring in a quality OL guy to right the ship, or have CBB be responsible for his so called area of expertise"

Good God NO! Just NO!
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 6:05 pm to
I told him it would be a huge mistake, especially with the expansion happening and pushing for ticket sales.

Stubhub as 6 buck tix to the remaining SEC games. Good grief.

14 for lower level tix...

Posted by russellvillehog
Member since Apr 2016
9746 posts
Posted on 10/25/17 at 6:10 pm to
This team has quit on this staff... we need an overhaul is what it is.

We need someone who can bring some mental toughness to this team.
Posted by RazorBroncs
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 8:18 pm to
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I told him it would be a huge mistake, especially with the expansion happening and pushing for ticket sales.



It would definitely cause ticket sales to suffer next season and I know they know that. But in their thinking, one year of mediocre ticket sales is better than being saddled to the wrong coach for 3+ seasons all over again and I do agree from that standpoint.

I guess insiders are starting to go public with the things we've been hearing up to this point and a lot of them are publicly saying that they don't think he'll be back, so that gives me some hope that we're not being fed a bunch of BS.

Theres also word that some of the assistants are putting out feelers for new landing spots now. It's starting to unravel and not just behind closed doors anymore.
Posted by ArHog
Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2008
38137 posts
Posted on 10/25/17 at 8:58 pm to
NEZ is almost sold out except for a few of the Loge's.

I'll renew my season Tix as most of my section will.

Most season tickets holders will renew whether fat arse is the coach or not.

The season ticket holder "sky is falling" is Tardville BS.


Will you not renew your tickets if Bert is here in year 6?
Posted by cubsfan5150
NWA
Member since Nov 2007
17811 posts
Posted on 10/25/17 at 9:03 pm to
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ArHog



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Tardville BS


Yep
Posted by russellvillehog
Member since Apr 2016
9746 posts
Posted on 10/25/17 at 9:21 pm to
I'm not a season ticket holder. I usually attend 1-3 games every year. I went to the tcu abortion. I said wouldn't go back til he is gone. I know if people like me are saying this then there are others. It costs me far less than a full season. Some people will be sitting at home watching us or not watching at all next year.

My friend who lives within earshot of the stadium crowd has not been back since tcu. Has not watched a game since USC.
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