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Programs aren't successful.....coaches are. Period.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:20 pm
I said this before regarding football but the same applies to basketball. Those who think we can't compete, recruit, and be known as a basketball powerhouse on a consistent basis are weak minded.
In football look at Alabama, Texas, USC, Miami, Michigan, etc. When they don't have Saban, Bear, Mack Brown, Pete Carroll, Bo Schembechler, etc roaming the sidelines their programs are all the sudden middle of the pack or worse.
It's the same in basketball.
- Coach K has been at Duke since '80. They weren't all that relevant prior.
- UNC had Dean Smith forever and now Roy Williams.
- Kentucky has been a powerhouse under Rupp, Pitino, Cal. Tubby got 1 title with Pitino players and never lived up to expectations past that. Then look at where they went with BCG. (Both of those guys are still head and shoulders above Heath and Pel, BTW).
- UCLA is a "powerhouse"? They've had 1 title since Wooden retired in '75. Yet the national pundits talk about that job opening as it's the holy grail.
Point is, it's ridiculous to think we can't do as well as any of the programs above, we just need to make the right hire.
Great coaches are the only reason some programs have been able to have sustained success.
In football look at Alabama, Texas, USC, Miami, Michigan, etc. When they don't have Saban, Bear, Mack Brown, Pete Carroll, Bo Schembechler, etc roaming the sidelines their programs are all the sudden middle of the pack or worse.
It's the same in basketball.
- Coach K has been at Duke since '80. They weren't all that relevant prior.
- UNC had Dean Smith forever and now Roy Williams.
- Kentucky has been a powerhouse under Rupp, Pitino, Cal. Tubby got 1 title with Pitino players and never lived up to expectations past that. Then look at where they went with BCG. (Both of those guys are still head and shoulders above Heath and Pel, BTW).
- UCLA is a "powerhouse"? They've had 1 title since Wooden retired in '75. Yet the national pundits talk about that job opening as it's the holy grail.
Point is, it's ridiculous to think we can't do as well as any of the programs above, we just need to make the right hire.
Great coaches are the only reason some programs have been able to have sustained success.
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:34 pm to GoldenSombrero
Nick Saban would lose at Rice
Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:39 pm to GoldenSombrero
Guess what Gus Malzahn was always good at? Finding the right job at the right time.
Arkansas State had great momentum going already, right before he got there.
Same with him as an OC at Tulsa.
Back in high school when he went to Benton and turned around and came back to Shiloh after two weeks, he saw he'd made a mistake and that he was not going to win at Benton.
Disclaimer: I can't stand Gus
Arkansas State had great momentum going already, right before he got there.
Same with him as an OC at Tulsa.
Back in high school when he went to Benton and turned around and came back to Shiloh after two weeks, he saw he'd made a mistake and that he was not going to win at Benton.
Disclaimer: I can't stand Gus
Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:42 pm to GoldenSombrero
I do agree we can win a natty in football and basketball
Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:44 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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Nick Saban would lose at Rice
Extreme example, but I'd bet by year 4 he'd have them in a better bowl game than Bert ever got us to.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 1:48 pm to GoldenSombrero
Not really extreme
Coaches do not bring infrastructure. Programs either already have it or they don't.
You can include tradition in that "infrastructure" mix.
Name recognition. History. Can't put a price tag on it.
Coaches do not bring infrastructure. Programs either already have it or they don't.
You can include tradition in that "infrastructure" mix.
Name recognition. History. Can't put a price tag on it.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:09 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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Not really extreme
Coaches do not bring infrastructure. Programs either already have it or they don't.
You can include tradition in that "infrastructure" mix.
Name recognition. History. Can't put a price tag on it.
Splitting hairs at this point but the only reason schools have name recognition, history, etc is because they had GREAT coaches that built it up. It had to start from there, didn't just exist one day.
And my other point is name recognition, history, infrastructure mean absolutely nothing if you don't have a great coach. See Alabama between Stallings and Saban or UK basketball without Pitino or Cal.
With the right coach we'll be worried about every year about whether we are going to be a 2 or 3 seed in the tourney, not hoping our 22 wins gets us a 8 or 9.
Edit to add: If Kansas had hired Stan Health followed by Pel, instead of Bill Self, they'd be in the exact same situation we are right now.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:17 pm to GoldenSombrero
The OP overlooks the fact that great programs hire great coaches. There's a lot of reasons for it other than just having an AD that can spot talent. Funding has to be in place which means fan support. Infrastructure often plays a role. There are others.
The good news is Arkansas has a great program. We can target the best coaches in our search and should have a good shot at getting someone we will be happy with.
The good news is Arkansas has a great program. We can target the best coaches in our search and should have a good shot at getting someone we will be happy with.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 2:37 pm to BoarEd
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The OP overlooks the fact that great programs hire great coaches.
Not exclusively they don't. Name the last great coach UCLA hired? Plenty of others have missed on hires as well. You think Texas is currently happy? Our misses (which I don't include Anderson) have been more pronounced and longer than most would allow, but that's a result of poor leadership that's no longer in place.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 3:07 pm to GoldenSombrero
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the only reason schools have name recognition, history, etc is because they had GREAT coaches that built it up.
aight
Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:46 pm to GoldenSombrero
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Great coaches are the only reason some programs have been able to have sustained success.
How do you explain VCU? Capel, Grant, Smart all meh on the power 5 level at OU, Bama, Texas, and Pitt.
Wade caught cheating, once, before year 5.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:50 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
quote:In year 3 Rice would be top 10.
Nick Saban would lose at Rice
Posted on 3/27/19 at 5:55 pm to DaleDenton
Look what briles did at baylor, patterson tcu. Gundy ok state, peterson boise, snyder k state, mangino ku, leach at ttech and wazzu. Op is 100% right. And look at those schools that didnt have the guts to keep the coaches who knew how to win. Thats the real difference between them and the blue bloods. Blue bloods arent afraid to get dirty and stay dirty
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