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re: Pittman rumored to be out, Gus leading candidate to replace him?? Or is he?

Posted on 11/13/23 at 5:18 pm to
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 5:18 pm to
It is both.

He went cheap, that is how you end up with Pittman.

Norvell or Kiffin was available but cost too much.

After one decent year you increase the salary a coach who has no interest from anyone else 50% in pay and a buyout that is astronomical compared to the demand of said coach.

In other words the AD who said that large buyouts and non-performance based large salaries were something he was not going to do, did so because said coach beat Texas and went to a mid-tier bowl game.

If you want to link Sam to other openings at the time that was pursuing him, we would all be interested in learning about this demand for his head coaching services.

This contract and circumstances are worse than the two year free pass given to Nutt to keep him off of Nebraska's plane. There is not logical justification for the contract drafted by the AD.
Posted by RazorBroncs
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 5:40 pm to

You can type all the paragraphs you want, but in the end you're still griping about Yurachek being cheap and not cheap enough in the same post.

Pittman is still being paid in the lower half of the SEC coaches salaries, but you're saying that's too much... while complaining that Yurachek is also keen on going for cheap options and that's why he will again.

I'm aware I'm arguing with a poster that spans multiple boards and is known for his negativity at all of them, but still. You have to recognize the sheer hypocrisy, right?
Posted by RazorHawg
Member since Aug 2013
24506 posts
Posted on 11/13/23 at 7:50 pm to
LINK

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Texas A&M's record $76 million contract buyout for fired football coach Jimbo Fisher accounts for more than half of the approximately $146 million Power 5 schools owe to fired head football coaches since the start of the 2022 season, according to publicly available data.

Fisher's buyout is nearly triple the highest known coaching contract buyout at a public school. The previous record was set by Auburn's 2020 buyout of football coach Gus Malzahn, which cost $21.7 million.

According to an ESPN analysis of athletic department financial records and contracts, Power 5 and Group of 5 programs spent more than $533 million in dead money -- owed to coaches who were fired without cause with time left on their contracts -- in the 11-year period from Jan. 1, 2010, to Jan. 31, 2021. That included payments to football coaches and men's and women's basketball coaches and accounted for head and assistant coaches.

Also included in the $146 million owed since the beginning of the 2022 season:

• $15.5 million for Bryan Harsin, fired from Auburn in October 2022.

• $15 million for Scott Frost, fired from Nebraska in September 2022.

• $11.4 million for Geoff Collins, fired from Georgia Tech in September 2022.

• $11 million for Paul Chryst, fired from Wisconsin in October 2022.

• $8.7 million for Karl Dorrell, fired from Colorado in October 2022.

• $4.4 million for Herm Edwards, fired from Arizona State in September 2022.

• $4 million for Zach Arnett, fired from Mississippi State on Monday.

Buyouts can change depending on certain circumstances, including whether a coach lands a new job. According to the terms of Fisher's contract, Texas A&M will owe Fisher $19.2 million within 60 days and then pay him $7.2 million annually through 2031. There is no offset or mitigation on those payments, and the annual payments start 120 days after termination.

Texas A&M athletic director Ross Bjork said in a news conference Sunday that the school "has to learn a lesson" from Fisher's contract and that the finances involving his firing are "monumental."

"We will use unrestricted contributions within the 12th Man Foundation for the first one-time payment and the athletic department will fund the annual payments for the remaining portion by growing our revenues and adjusting our annual operating budget accordingly," he said. "Although this is a major, major financial decision that comes with many consequences, we have a plan and we will not let this impact the performance or the culture of our entire athletics program."

Texas A&M's athletic department generated about $193 million in revenue in 2022, ranking seventh among public Power 5 colleges, according to the Knight-Newhouse College Athletics Database. Fisher's buyout is just $6 million less than the Kansas State athletic department's total expenses in 2022, which were about $82 million.

The trend of midseason-to-before conference championship firings since last fall has been accelerating, whereas most coaching changes previously took place in early December. The transfer portal opens Dec. 4, and the early signing period begins Dec. 20.

B. David Ridpath, Ohio University sports business professor and a member of The Drake Group, an organization that lobbies Congress on issues in college athletics, said that despite claims of donors footing the bill for buyouts, "regardless of where the money comes from, all money is state money at a public institution." While he said he understands some severance is needed for coaches fired for performance reasons, it doesn't make sense to pay out their entire contracts for essentially failing to perform.

Ridpath said schools' abilities to pay the buyouts also shows that they can come up with the money to pay athletes, which is a highly debated issue among university leaders, the NCAA, conferences, legislators and athlete advocacy groups.

"I would like to think [the Fisher buyout] would be so outrageous that the Texas public policy groups or state legislators or federal delegation says, 'Hold on a second. Our public institutions should not be doing this,'" Ridpath said. "What I fear is, this is only going to get larger. The only thing that will stem this tide is if the labor is paid," and more money goes to the athletes instead of the coaches.

The $146 million calculation does not include contract money potentially owed to former Michigan State coach Mel Tucker, who was fired for cause in September amid a sexual misconduct investigation, or to former Northwestern coach Pat Fitzgerald, who was fired following an investigation into hazing allegations. Fitzgerald is suing Northwestern for wrongful termination, and Tucker has said he is preparing to file a similar lawsuit against Michigan State.
Posted by RazorHawg
Member since Aug 2013
24506 posts
Posted on 11/13/23 at 7:52 pm to
These AD's have no idea what they are doing with contracts and buyouts yet complain to politicians about guardrails and safeguards on NIL to paying players.
Posted by VagueMessage
Springdale, AR
Member since Jun 2013
4161 posts
Posted on 11/13/23 at 7:55 pm to
quote:

You can type all the paragraphs you want, but in the end you're still griping about Yurachek being cheap and not cheap enough in the same post.

Pittman is still being paid in the lower half of the SEC coaches salaries, but you're saying that's too much... while complaining that Yurachek is also keen on going for cheap options and that's why he will again.

I'm aware I'm arguing with a poster that spans multiple boards and is known for his negativity at all of them, but still. You have to recognize the sheer hypocrisy, right?



I made a post yesterday about comparing the past two coaches to beater cars. We spent 2K on a beater car, and then dumped 10K into "fixing" it up. That's the way I see it.

Dale isn't wrong. The idea he's trying to convey is penny wise and pound foolish. We have fricked up priorities, if we even have any at all.
Posted by RazorBroncs
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:09 pm to
I've always been of the assumption that Pittman's salary and buyout were never about Pittman himself to begin with, they were about attracting the NEXT coach. I think Yurachek had a realization when Pitt was the only candidate to really step into the fold after we lost out on our other candidates because we got outbid or various other reasons, that we had to pay more to keep up and attract better coaching candidates.

I think Pittman's contract and buyout are more of a message to the rest of the coaching community than they are about actually paying Sam himself. Not to mention HY didn't want to be seen as the AD and program that negotiated down and hardballed the one coach that was willing to take on the clusterfrick left by Morris.

It was never about paying Pittman to stay because he was in high demand (he obviously wasn't), it was always about the optics to the coaching community and the next hire being easier to make with more candidates willing to come because we're willing to pay our coaches right.

That's just my opinion but it makes the most sense.
This post was edited on 11/13/23 at 8:12 pm
Posted by VagueMessage
Springdale, AR
Member since Jun 2013
4161 posts
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:41 pm to
I think there are multiple valid ways of viewing it. Yours is a generous and charitable take, and it works better when we're trending up instead of down. Dale's (and mine) are more critical and make less flattering assumptions, but we DID hire a coach who was an absolute maximum risk, for no greater of an upside than any other candidate. His basement was always likely lower than his ceiling was high.

The issue seems to be we actually have no problem paying a coach six million a year, plus what, 20 million or so in buyouts? And we'd find even more money than that for someone winning. So, we should either pay a huge name or a minimal risk that or a little less out the gate, or go ahead and pay a bigger risk 2.5/3m or so, and either keep it there until they show they're worth holding onto, or slowly increase it with the wins. We jumped Pittman's salary up like 66% or something ridiculous after one decent year. We seem to have gone with both philosophies and it's making us look incompetent, and every time we have to pay a coach a preposterous buyout that they didn't earn, it hinders us for the next time.

It's not our money and who's really to say how deep the pockets go? I'm not concerned about the financial aspect of it as much as I'm concerned that EVERY move we've made since about 2016 has made us look like a mid-major. We have a rabid fan base and an administration that doesn't seem to care all that much. We have such a small fry mindset, and every year it grows more apparent. Many of us have lost faith in the notion that we can fix this, not because the situation's just that hopeless, but because we keep making the same mistakes and nothing so far this year has suggested that'll be changing - even if we did fire Pitt. It's a helpless and frustrating situation to be watching.
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
23632 posts
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:54 pm to
until this weekend, I thought Pittman may be able to turn it around to a medium team. Which is more than Bert or Chad was able to do in the end!

But this weekend we were so absolutely listless, without any real direction at all. After playing at Florida the way we did, it was unbelievable.

When the team is that lost, the coach has to be as well. No slogans, cole beers, or sense of humor causes that to change. His presser today was odd, to say the least. Everything from punting, to running backs, to qb, to wr, to defense, to ... everything was terrible actually. He lost his team, he lost his fans, and he should have lost his job by now. I hate it, but it is, what it is!
Posted by STLhog
Nashville, TN
Member since Jan 2015
18118 posts
Posted on 11/13/23 at 9:01 pm to
Holy shite, what a hit of copium.

Pass it brother.

Wake me up when we hire Casey Dick.
Posted by Notherdamnhog
Huntsville, Al
Member since Aug 2010
6193 posts
Posted on 11/16/23 at 6:13 pm to
quote:

I’ll never buy another football ticket if we hire Gus Malzahn
Your threat alone will affect the next hire.
Posted by snoblind
Fort Smith, Arkansas
Member since Oct 2009
172 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 10:42 pm to
Malzahn isn't coming back to coach Arkansas.
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