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Posted on 11/28/12 at 3:46 pm to WaveHog
Posted on 11/28/12 at 3:46 pm to WaveHog
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It does not embarrass us. AT all. any dip shite that follows college football knows this is how it works with coaches and raises
also this, this is all part of the game, every year rumors of offers and turn downs run crazy, i doubt this will be the only one. i was surprised espn ran the story though unless they had proof of some sort
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Posted on 11/28/12 at 3:47 pm to piggilicious
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Christ- is it really that serious? It's all about a game and if we're here posting then we love the hogs.
Dissenting opinion doesn't mean I think you're all morons or anything. If anything, it's quite the opposite. I'm the idiot/crybaby of this thread because I'm the one who sees this as being the SLIGHTEST bit peculiar.
This post was edited on 11/28/12 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 11/28/12 at 3:48 pm to Woopigsooie20
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Miles said himself we never offered.
That's right, he also said he didn't let the talks get that serious.
Instead of looking at Miles from the fan's perspective, try from the coaching perspective, I guarantee you he is not thought of as an idiot by his peers like he is from the fans. So, what you have is a respected coach who was contacted about our job and will likely contact or be contacted by other coaches for us who was talking about he didn't want the talks to get serious because he didn't want to have to entertain the idea and make a tough decision on whether to leave LSU or not.
So lets say Long does have this "home run" hire we've heard about, but let's say he isn't so sure he wants to leave his job to come here, kinda on the fence, would a respected coach having a tough decision between Arkansas and LSU make his decision between his current school and Arkansas easier or harder?
Psychology plays a huge role in hiring...
This post was edited on 11/28/12 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 11/28/12 at 3:51 pm to ocelot4ark
jeff long seems to have hurt you personally at some point, for that im not really sorry
Posted on 11/28/12 at 3:53 pm to hawgfaninc
i do feel like Long is the real deal and wants to sit at the Big boy table with the bama's and florida's, i have faith in him and what he's doing, i like this move
Posted on 11/28/12 at 3:54 pm to DaleDenton
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That's right, he also said he didn't let the talks get that serious.
What do you expect he'd say, exactly? Well, I held LSU hostage for at least SOME extra money and since they came through I'm staying! Of course he said the talks weren't serious.
Regardless, none of my comments have anything to do with what Miles said today. My comments are aimed at the athletic department's mishandling of the situation (IMO). 24 hours of $5.5MM/yr, followed by "Miles turns down Arkansas for $4MM." I'd have been happier if that rumor was only $4.5MM. I'd have been happier if the coach wasn't a laughing stock.
And if he's just doing this shite to get ANOTHER old pal a raise, I'm fricking sick of it. Arkansas deserves better than to be used as fricking leverage. Especially after the last 7 months.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 3:56 pm to hawgfaninc
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jeff long seems to have hurt you personally at some point, for that im not really sorry
Jesus Christ, simpleton. Just because I disagree with one of his tactics doesn't mean I don't like him.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 3:56 pm to ocelot4ark
It sucks that we end up looking bad for something that never happened. Jeff Long didn't have Miles as a legitimate candidate but apparently two people who know each other had a conversation. Its possible that Les reached out to Long.
A guy who runs a twitter account with zero credibility makes up a job offer with numbers and it ends up on ESPN. I don't think it hurts us, but it doesn't help.
A guy who runs a twitter account with zero credibility makes up a job offer with numbers and it ends up on ESPN. I don't think it hurts us, but it doesn't help.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 3:59 pm to ocelot4ark
Where are you seeing the $$ amount?
LSU's AD said he would get a raise (he's due for one) and extension, but the details would be finalized after the bowl game.
LSU's AD said he would get a raise (he's due for one) and extension, but the details would be finalized after the bowl game.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 4:03 pm to DaleDenton
Some LSU reporter/twitter or somesuch. Rumor/conjecture, I'm sure.
Yahoo report on extension
Notice that this still says Arkansas offered, in spite of what Miles said. This is the kind of thing that pisses me off about all of this.
Yahoo report on extension
Notice that this still says Arkansas offered, in spite of what Miles said. This is the kind of thing that pisses me off about all of this.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 4:05 pm to ocelot4ark
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Just because I disagree with one of his tactics doesn't mean I don't like him.
i gotcha. misunderstanding. everyone does not always agree with every strategy a leader uses
Posted on 11/28/12 at 4:08 pm to ocelot4ark
You know this was posturing, I'm sure JL offered Miles back in the spring and was told let's revisit it after the season.
I'd be really surprised if we had a serious offer out there that we'd leak it. JL knows the last thing we want is a Grobe/Bowden/Kiffin/Muschamp situation like last time.
If we do have rats in the BAC, god speed for them. Keeping your mouth shut is a priority in any high level corporate positions. You want your leverage to be leverage not a hinderance.
Of course the media are going to run with whatever they want that paints a picture of the narrative they want to tell, not particularly what the facts are.
In a couple days Wally Hall will have a column proclaiming we never offered, JL and Les are friends and it was nothing more than that to keep the Arkansas fan's chins up.
I'd be really surprised if we had a serious offer out there that we'd leak it. JL knows the last thing we want is a Grobe/Bowden/Kiffin/Muschamp situation like last time.
If we do have rats in the BAC, god speed for them. Keeping your mouth shut is a priority in any high level corporate positions. You want your leverage to be leverage not a hinderance.
Of course the media are going to run with whatever they want that paints a picture of the narrative they want to tell, not particularly what the facts are.
In a couple days Wally Hall will have a column proclaiming we never offered, JL and Les are friends and it was nothing more than that to keep the Arkansas fan's chins up.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 4:08 pm to hawgfaninc
too much hogville in this thread. the site must be down again
Posted on 11/28/12 at 4:09 pm to ocelot4ark
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Notice that this still says Arkansas offered, in spite of what Miles said. This is the kind of thing that pisses me off about all of this.
They are not going to admit they were wrong, ESPN is still saying it was on the table.
Here in a week or so, you will see them recant the statement about the offer being true on their website, this is how they do things.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 4:59 pm to hawgfaninc
While I do think Long wasn't serious with his offer and was using it for other reasons than an actual attempt to hire Miles...
I don't like how it makes us look stupid to other fanbases. Just skimming through other fan bases's boards I find tons of comments that go along the line of "Arkansas and Jeff Long are idiots"
I don't like how it makes us look stupid to other fanbases. Just skimming through other fan bases's boards I find tons of comments that go along the line of "Arkansas and Jeff Long are idiots"
Posted on 11/28/12 at 5:10 pm to Gladius Veritas
But, but, but...Jeff Long trolled LSU! Look how much better off we are now! Because, well, we just are.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 5:16 pm to ocelot4ark
Posted on 11/28/12 at 5:20 pm to Gladius Veritas
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I don't like how it makes us look stupid to other fanbases. Just skimming through other fan bases's boards I find tons of comments that go along the line of "Arkansas and Jeff Long are idiots"
That's the downside, people have no clue what happened or interest to find out. A good hire will fix it and no one will worry about the job offer that never happened.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 5:20 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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I'm sure JL offered Miles back in the spring and was told let's revisit it after the season.
If JL offered Les Miles, then I don't see how anyone could honestly look at him as anything other than a fricking joke of an AD.
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I'd be really surprised if we had a serious offer out there that we'd leak it.
Exactly, but why not refute the leaks? Why not call up Schad yourself and say, "hey man - we did NOT offer les miles this job."
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If we do have rats in the BAC, god speed for them. Keeping your mouth shut is a priority in any high level corporate positions. You want your leverage to be leverage not a hinderance.
I've seen this suggested other places as well. Long floats this as a way to out a rat. SERIOUSLY? If this is the case we need to get rid of Long because he's a fricking paranoid schizophrenic.
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Of course the media are going to run with whatever they want that paints a picture of the narrative they want to tell, not particularly what the facts are.
And this is the point I've been making. It doesn't matter what actually happened. The media reports, albeit unsubstantiated, that Arkansas offered $5.5MM/yr for Les Miles. 24 hours. All major sports networks run with it. Next day, story says Miles turned us down. Not that an offer was never on the table. It's just bad PR.
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In a couple days Wally Hall will have a column proclaiming we never offered, JL and Les are friends and it was nothing more than that to keep the Arkansas fan's chins up.
I don't care what Arkansas fans think of this. It's outsiders. What are outside perceptions of the program. What will recruits, high school coaches, parents, etc, etc think...people with only a passing interest. "Wow - Arkansas must not be all that nice if Miles turned down that much extra money...he could have been the highest paid coach in college football history."
Posted on 11/28/12 at 9:07 pm to ocelot4ark
If he rehires CBMFP he is a certified badass.
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