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Posted on 9/27/24 at 2:29 pm to Drewbie
Posted on 9/27/24 at 2:29 pm to Drewbie
I didn't give the WR ALL the credit. Another misrepresentation. I pointed out a difference between that season and others. I said the achievement was impressive.
I thought the first season had some moments, but nothing to brag about. 3 wins? No.
I thought the first season had some moments, but nothing to brag about. 3 wins? No.
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Posted on 9/27/24 at 3:07 pm to Red Boarman
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I thought the first season had some moments, but nothing to brag about. 3 wins? No.
3 conference wins in the COVID year with an all sec schedule when the team had 1 conference win in the previous 3 years is certainly viewed as a huge improvement.
But he brought some life and hope back to a dead program which was huge.
Sam wants to win as much or more than any of us, heck he sought out and hired Petrino which shows his willingness to put himself aside in order to be successful plus be able to learn from him in the coaching decisions aspect like he admitted doing from Odom.
And someone else posted about Sam calling a pass play on 4th and short. Sam doesn’t call the offense and if he did he would have run the ball and gotten bitched about for that. I think he’s doing the best he can do with what he’s able to work with.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 3:21 pm to Clark14
I can agree that we all want to win. How confident are you all that we will?
Posted on 9/27/24 at 3:29 pm to Clark14
Posted on 9/27/24 at 3:52 pm to Red Boarman
quote:Do you not remember how bad we were when he got here? We had lost 20 straight SEC games before that season, including a loss to Vandy.
I thought the first season had some moments, but nothing to brag about. 3 wins? No.
Yes, 3 wins is worth bragging about.
quote:You also said it was misleading. It's pretty obvious you lean toward downplaying his successes and magnifying his failures.
I said the achievement was impressive.
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 9/27/24 at 4:17 pm to Drewbie
List of head coaches with 9 win seasons at Arkansas all-time:
Frank Broyles
Lou Holtz
Ken Hatfield
Houston Nutt
Bobby Petrino
Sam Pittman
Frank Broyles
Lou Holtz
Ken Hatfield
Houston Nutt
Bobby Petrino
Sam Pittman
Posted on 9/27/24 at 4:53 pm to Drewbie
I think initial conditions are a factor, but using that as the sole perspective ignores many factors.
I lean toward accurate assessment. 9-4 was misleading as shown by subsequent disappointments. I neither downplayed success nor magnified his failure. That's you cherry picking my posts to avoid agreeing my original comment is reasonable and agreeable. It's okay to disagree with it, but not to the point you misrepresent it.
I lean toward accurate assessment. 9-4 was misleading as shown by subsequent disappointments. I neither downplayed success nor magnified his failure. That's you cherry picking my posts to avoid agreeing my original comment is reasonable and agreeable. It's okay to disagree with it, but not to the point you misrepresent it.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 4:55 pm to Drewbie
How many of those were in 13 game seasons?
Posted on 9/27/24 at 5:03 pm to Drewbie
quote:
List of head coaches with 9 win seasons at Arkansas all-time:
Frank Broyles
Lou Holtz
Ken Hatfield
Houston Nutt
Bobby Petrino
Sam Pittman
I'd say this is misleading
For a good chunk of the history of the program, winning 9 games would have meant going undefeated, or would have been impossible. Hugo Bezdek went undefeated at 7-0.
Until Broyles there were only a few scattered seasons where we played as many as 11 games.
Post Broyles, coaches that have not won 9 games:
Crowe
Ford (won 8)
John LOL
Bert (won 8)
Chad
Pitt has clearly had a better tenure than Crowe, Johnelle, and Chad. That's not saying much.
Probably better than Ford's
Maybe on par with Bert? Bert never won 9, but had 8 regular season wins. Bowl games were actual real games at that time.
Yes, I hate it as much as anyone, but it's ridiculous that non-playoff bowl games even count on the W/L record at this point. They are less meaningful than preseason NFL games
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 9/27/24 at 5:04 pm to Red Boarman
quote:All of them but Frank and Lou.
How many of those were in 13 game seasons?
Posted on 9/27/24 at 5:07 pm to The Sultan of Swine
quote:You're missing the point.
I'd say this is misleading
The point is we have two of those men on staff right now and half the fanbase wants to blow it up. It's foolishness.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 5:08 pm to Drewbie
Eh, I agree with the point, I just don't think the 9 win thing is a good way to make it
Posted on 9/27/24 at 5:11 pm to The Sultan of Swine
I'll have to disagree there. I'm tired of seeing people downplay what Pittman did. To go from being completely uncompetitive and 20 straight SEC losses to being put on a list that short in 2 offseasons and then get treated like he has doesn't sit right with me.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 5:15 pm to Drewbie
Bret Bielema 29-34. 11-29
Sam Pittman 26-26. 12-23
Sam Pittman 26-26. 12-23
Posted on 9/27/24 at 5:15 pm to Drewbie
I agree with you on people underselling his first season. How good of a coaching job that was is sadly going to get lost to history behind the bad looking record.
I think the way to make the case for this staff is to look at their combined SEC win total compared to the history of the program.
I'm too lazy to do the math right now but I'd bet comparing Petrino +Pitt's SEC victory totals to our all time SEC wins, would be striking
I think the way to make the case for this staff is to look at their combined SEC win total compared to the history of the program.
I'm too lazy to do the math right now but I'd bet comparing Petrino +Pitt's SEC victory totals to our all time SEC wins, would be striking
Posted on 9/27/24 at 5:17 pm to HAWGWALLOP
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Bret Bielema 29-34. 11-29
Sam Pittman 26-26. 12-23
So Sam already has more SEC wins than Bert, in fewer games. Quite a stat
Posted on 9/27/24 at 5:20 pm to The Sultan of Swine
Nevermind -bad math - might do the numbers later
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 9/27/24 at 5:29 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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Maybe on par with Bert? Bert never won 9, but had 8 regular season wins. Bowl games were actual real games at that time.
Sam was line coach and recruiting coordinator and basically ran that show that year. Bert begged him to stay. It went to shite when Sam left.
Hmmmm…
Posted on 9/27/24 at 5:38 pm to The Sultan of Swine
Finkle is Einhorn!
Sam is Bret wasn't good enough then isn't good enough now. Too many of you let Chad break you.
Sam is Bret wasn't good enough then isn't good enough now. Too many of you let Chad break you.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 5:56 pm to HAWGWALLOP
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Sam is Bret wasn't good enough then isn't good enough now
What language are you speaking?
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