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re: Mike Norvell is available
Posted on 9/17/24 at 8:03 am to DaleDenton
Posted on 9/17/24 at 8:03 am to DaleDenton
Overachieve for a season. Win the ones you should plus one or two you shouldn't. Otherwise, a fan is throwing good money after bad, falling for the sunk cost fallacy.
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 8:35 am to DaleDenton
I was listening to sports radio this morning and they were setting up hog fans to be blamed.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 8:42 am to dchog
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was listening to sports radio this morning and they were setting up hog fans to be blamed.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 8:53 am to ArHog
65 million buyout for Norvell or 85 percent of his base salary should FSU separate. Doesn't seem like a option financially.
These agents are so good at their jobs
These agents are so good at their jobs
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:10 am to Hogwarts
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These agents are so good at their jobs
And the ADs are so bad at theirs. There are probably 4 coaches (Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh, and Smart) who justify a buyout like that, and 3 of them don't coach college football anymore.
These ADs are so scared of a coach leaving that they are willing to significantly overcompensate them and ransom the athletic department over the faintest signs of success. What the ADs fail to realize is that there is a far greater likelihood that the coach will be fired than leave for another program.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:17 am to Cornelius
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These ADs are so scared of a coach leaving that they are willing to significantly overcompensate them and ransom the athletic department over the faintest signs of success. What the ADs fail to realize is that there is a far greater likelihood that the coach will be fired than leave for another program.
If they don’t sign the coach, we have no problem firing them. I mean do I believe Jeff Long was a turd? Probably. Do I believe Hunter is? I think he tries to do exactly what you are talking about and it comes off as not aggressive enough, like costing us Kiffin.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:52 am to dchog
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I was listening to sports radio this morning and they were setting up hog fans to be blamed
Well truth is, everyone says fire Sam, but if a quality coach looks at our job and says the support isn't already in place then they aren't going to come.
Say what you want but NIL changed everything and very few quality coaches are going to bet on themselves. They are going where the money is already in place.
So we have quite a conundrum on our hands. We refuse to support what is already there, so why should we expect a coach any better to come here on hope of change?
Posted on 9/17/24 at 11:30 am to beebefootballfan
You got to have both talent and coaching to be successful.
Arkansas last year had the talent to go to a bowl but dropped the State and BYU games. They could have beaten Auburn at home had they not given up. That puts Arkansas at 7-5. We wouldn't have this discussion had Sam taken care of business at home.
Arkansas can get more money for football and get better in talent. But that isn't going to fix the coaching issues and that turns into a Jimbo problem.
Hog fans are tired and emotionally depleted from the last 12 years and with a potential recession coming, that is going to make it even harder and will further hurt donations.
Arkansas last year had the talent to go to a bowl but dropped the State and BYU games. They could have beaten Auburn at home had they not given up. That puts Arkansas at 7-5. We wouldn't have this discussion had Sam taken care of business at home.
Arkansas can get more money for football and get better in talent. But that isn't going to fix the coaching issues and that turns into a Jimbo problem.
Hog fans are tired and emotionally depleted from the last 12 years and with a potential recession coming, that is going to make it even harder and will further hurt donations.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 11:31 am to beebefootballfan
The catch 22
Fans don’t really want to support a coach that hasn’t shown consistent results, so they don’t support with their money, hurting NIL, hurting the product on the field, fans call for the coach to be fired, but the coaches that would be an upgrade want to go somewhere the money is already in place.
Fans don’t really want to support a coach that hasn’t shown consistent results, so they don’t support with their money, hurting NIL, hurting the product on the field, fans call for the coach to be fired, but the coaches that would be an upgrade want to go somewhere the money is already in place.
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 11:34 am
Posted on 9/17/24 at 11:32 am to beebefootballfan
Maybe an up and comer looking to jump in the SEC with a bottom feeder program
Posted on 9/17/24 at 11:38 am to FayetteNAM
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If they don’t sign the coach, we have no problem firing them. I mean do I believe Jeff Long was a turd? Probably. Do I believe Hunter is? I think he tries to do exactly what you are talking about and it comes off as not aggressive enough, like costing us Kiffin.
My gripe is more with the unwarranted raises and buyouts, less with trying to lure a new proven coach. I like Yurachek, and think he inherited a mess of a football program, but he failed in both respects.
First, he didn't land Kiffin. Is that because he tried to go cheap? I don't know. Fact of the matter is he couldn't get him hired.
Second, the Sam Pittman contract renegotiation was an abject failure and likely made Pittman unfireable after last season. Your unproven coach, who by his own admission wants to retire at Arkansas, goes 9-4, so you double his salary and increase his buyout. Where was he going to go?
These ADs get so caught up in the moment that they forget, most of the time, they are holding all of the cards.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 11:47 am to ArHog
A coach that has a chip on his shoulder and isn't a check collector like Jimbo.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:43 pm to dchog
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Hog fans are tired and emotionally depleted from the last 12 years and with a potential recession coming, that is going to make it even harder and will further hurt donations.
Yet, there were more fans at the UAB game... than at a rent-a-win game in fayetteville, in a very long time.
Tix to these game on the secondary market are holding value, so the desire to go to games currently, is still there.
The fan base is still passionate and not apathetic overall. Proof, look at social media. When it is no longer mentioned, talked about... then.. YOU ARE DONE!
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:44 pm to hawgfaninc
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The catch 22
Fans don’t really want to support a coach that hasn’t shown consistent results, so they don’t support with their money, hurting NIL, hurting the product on the field, fans call for the coach to be fired, but the coaches that would be an upgrade want to go somewhere the money is already in place.
THIS.... And we have a great OC, a really good Defensive Coaching Staff, A Good TE coach, i mean... the only thing folks want changed, at this point is the HC...
I dread another Morris/Napier type of a hire. FWIW
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:57 pm to Razorback Reverend
The big concern is the far majority of the fans that buy season tickets and donate are baby boomers and generation x.
Once they die off that leaves the generation Y and Z growing up watching terrible teams and they won't be as enthusiastic as the older generations. They certainly won't have as much money unless something changes.
Once they die off that leaves the generation Y and Z growing up watching terrible teams and they won't be as enthusiastic as the older generations. They certainly won't have as much money unless something changes.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 1:02 pm to dchog
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The big concern is the far majority of the fans that buy season tickets and donate are baby boomers and generation x.
Uhhh, not true.. How do I know.... I KNOW! lol. Best I can offer you with one caveat. I have worked with some of the best Bowl Directors in history over the past 20 years. Have visited multiple stadiums and fan bases. Right now it is about 50/50 on razorback game attendance between younger and older folks. With more younger following Covid.
And, Bobby P brought back some of the excitement in all honesty. Even young fans know who he is...
Posted on 9/17/24 at 2:06 pm to ArHog
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Maybe an up and comer looking to jump in the SEC with a bottom feeder program
Which could really pay off!
Or you could get Chad Morris or Billy Napier. Shiny and new doesn't translate to better all the time.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 4:12 pm to DaleDenton
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You embrace it instead of fighting against it.
You pay the extra to make the splash hire after the shite show Morris era instead of taking the cheaper wants to be here hire.
Nice of Hunter to have the solution for the problems he creates.
Someone must not have thought of the timing excuse. OM has an instate rival they want to bury, if only Texas was in the sec at the start of the nil race...
Despite the major investment by Tyson, I wonder what the fan reaction (and response) was after hiring Cal from an NIL standpoint? I'd be willing fans are a lot more willing to donate to NIL for our basketball program with a known winner on the court leading the Hogs.
I agree with you. We need to make a big name hire. Fans will be more willing to pony up if those in charge on the hill at least make it look like they care about the football program.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 5:04 pm to HogPharmer
Fans will be more willing to pony up if those in charge on the hill at least make it look like they care about the football program. this is a huge part of it. Ole miss is ponying up because they win, and they believe they have a winning coach.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 5:14 pm to Razorback Reverend
How many of those younger fans are season tickets holders or just given tickets by parents or other relatives?
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