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Bored at work recently so went back and watched Texas, A&M and State: 2 takeaways

Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:40 am
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
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Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:40 am
Odom is a really really good d coordinator and our offense needs better 3rd down routes. I think briles might have been a little too simple on the route tree last year and it hurt us on 3rd down and in the red zone. If we couldn’t run it in we were in a bind.
Posted by BallHawg10
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Posted on 5/13/22 at 10:06 am to
You mean Briles’ patented 5 yard routes when we need 9 for a first down??
Posted by Arksulli
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Posted on 5/13/22 at 10:41 am to
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I think briles might have been a little too simple on the route tree last year and it hurt us on 3rd down and in the red zone.


I think Briles opened up the playbook a bit more as the season went on but yeah, he's overly cautious. Lets be honest, Briles is not running an especially complex offense.

He has some trickeration to keep people on their toes but he's running a modern version of the veer. Beat people to death with the run and go over the top when the opportunity presents itself. He runs screens and short routes more than people did in the old days but we live off the deep threat and mauling people with the running game.

Which, to be honest, can be really effective. We have shown the ability to open things up if we have too and be effective... in some games. Other games, like Georgia, not so much. If he can tweak the system a little bit with his third down calls we could be exceptionally dangerous on offense.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
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Posted on 5/13/22 at 10:50 am to
Yeah I agree with everything you said, but where we seem to hurt is when we get in the red zone and people sell out to stop the run and when we commit penalties to get behind the sticks which we seemed to do a lot actually last season. Idk if it was because kj was banged up some or what but we really need to run him more in the red zone or use the screen game because we settled for way to many field goals in goal to go situations last season where we need to be able to get 6. It’s like we moved it fine between the 20s but then got bottled up near the red zone when the deep threat is no longer there for the defense to worry about
Posted by Arksulli
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Posted on 5/13/22 at 1:37 pm to
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Idk if it was because kj was banged up some or what but we really need to run him more in the red zone or use the screen game because we settled for way to many field goals in goal to go situations last season where we need to be able to get 6.


Yeah. We were herky jerky in the red zone a lot. Maybe we should go more under center in the red zone, we had a decent amount of success with that.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 5/13/22 at 4:07 pm to
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Yeah I agree with everything you said, but where we seem to hurt is when we get in the red zone and people sell out to stop the run and when we commit penalties to get behind the sticks which we seemed to do a lot actually last season. Idk if it was because kj was banged up some or what but we really need to run him more in the red zone or use the screen game because we settled for way to many field goals in goal to go situations last season where we need to be able to get 6. It’s like we moved it fine between the 20s but then got bottled up near the red zone when the deep threat is no longer there for the defense to worry about



Penalties and Red Zone sputtering is typically a result of lacking discipline and weak fundamentals. Not trying to blast our coaches but that's the typical cause there.
Posted by FayetteNAM
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Posted on 5/13/22 at 4:12 pm to
Listened to that SEC podcast with SEC Mike.

He had on a guy who said we have the 2-3 best all 11 coaches in the SEC and probably that in the country.

It was Alabama at 1 and Florida at a toss up 2-3 with us
Posted by LittleRockHog501
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 5/13/22 at 4:23 pm to
Couldn't really run KJ like you want when you don't have a back up you're comfortable with if he does get banged up.
Posted by Feral
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Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:58 am to
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Yeah. We were herky jerky in the red zone a lot. Maybe we should go more under center in the red zone, we had a decent amount of success with that.


Oddly enough my favorite play Briles runs is under center.

It’s the fullback counter play where we line up in an offset I with (usually) Dominque Johnson as the FB and he takes a quick handoff weakside through the 1 or 3 hole.

We had really good success with it in short yardage situations last year. Johnson scored against Texas running it, and we used it in a few 3rd/4th and short situations with a pretty high success rate. The problem is that we’re pretty well telegraphing what we’re going to do when we line up in that offensive set now.
This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 8:01 am
Posted by jb4
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Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:22 am to
Have you discussed this with your boss
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
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Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:39 am to
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We had really good success with it in short yardage situations last year. Johnson scored against Texas running it, and we used it in a few 3rd/4th and short situations with a pretty high success rate. The problem is that we’re pretty well telegraphing what we’re going to do when we line up in that offensive set now.


Might be time to add a play action pass out of that set to catch folks off guard. I do like giving Johnson the ball close to the line of the scrimmage for a quick hitter for short yardage situations. He's a hard back to bring down quickly and he can bulldoze his way for a yard or two if nothing else.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
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Posted on 5/14/22 at 2:36 pm to
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Have you discussed this with your boss
the team I coach for won a state title this past year in Louisiana running the air raid offense, so although I’ve brought up a few ideas to our head coach that I’ve took from briles I don’t feel the need to change too much
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 9:14 am to
So I guess we're going to start off the year again with every Tom, Dick and Harry from Smackover and Heber Springs acting like they know more than Briles





routes are stemmed on the run depending what the QB and WR's read as the play develops - in the red zone, that means inside shade man to man alot, or if our WR beats that inside shade, a quick hitter is going to be thrown


no one in America for the past 15 years has gone in blind with set routes regardless of what the secondary rolled into - you go in with your coached options versus different coverages, and you react
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 9:15 am
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:04 pm to
I would just like to see more tight end involvement in our offense, and for us to develop and implement a truly effective running back screen play to both sides of the field. I think our passing game will be serviceable at worst with KJ this year.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 4:09 pm to
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I would just like to see more tight end involvement in our offense, and for us to develop and implement a truly effective running back screen play to both sides of the field. I think our passing game will be serviceable at worst with KJ this year.




The good news is we have the players coming for that. We should be stacked to the gills at TE once they get on campus.
Posted by troyt37
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:39 am to
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The good news is we have the players coming for that. We should be stacked to the gills at TE once they get on campus.



I hope we actually use them. It didn't seem like we even tried to keep the linebackers honest with tight ends last year.
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