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re: Where is all the talent we've recruited (or is it something larger)?
Posted on 9/12/23 at 7:06 am to JIB
Posted on 9/12/23 at 7:06 am to JIB
Damon Payne has been playing some snaps when the game was still on the line.
Devonta Smith has been injured. He's impressed the coaches and would probably be playing some now but the guy just keeps getting hurt.
Devonta Smith has been injured. He's impressed the coaches and would probably be playing some now but the guy just keeps getting hurt.
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Posted on 9/12/23 at 7:17 am to bamabonners
College coaching is like being members of a country club. These guys (head coaches and assistants) talk to each other in the off season. Love Coach Saban and will always treasure all the winning and championships he brought to Bama, BUT it's no secret that he's a 24K hard *** to work for. Most assistants don't want to put up with that.
Some will come so that they can put on their resume that they coached under CNS but there are probably more that say, "Thanks, but no thanks".
IMO, more and more good assistants and coordinators don't want to deal with CNS and what he demands. Period. And now it's caught up with us with having assistants that probably aren't the best.
One thing that has (IMO) really hurt Bama in recruiting true DE-DT types. It just seems to me like most of the recruits we have are solid but not spectacular and are not instant impact players. We just can't seem to get the 5 star DTs anymore.
Finally, no one wants to admit it but Coach Saban's age is being used against him more and more and it's becoming more and more effective in swaying recruits. No "inside" evidence of this, just a hunch.
I'm not saying "Fire Saban!!!". I'm merely pointing out what I see as contributing factors to why we are where we are.
Some will come so that they can put on their resume that they coached under CNS but there are probably more that say, "Thanks, but no thanks".
IMO, more and more good assistants and coordinators don't want to deal with CNS and what he demands. Period. And now it's caught up with us with having assistants that probably aren't the best.
One thing that has (IMO) really hurt Bama in recruiting true DE-DT types. It just seems to me like most of the recruits we have are solid but not spectacular and are not instant impact players. We just can't seem to get the 5 star DTs anymore.
Finally, no one wants to admit it but Coach Saban's age is being used against him more and more and it's becoming more and more effective in swaying recruits. No "inside" evidence of this, just a hunch.
I'm not saying "Fire Saban!!!". I'm merely pointing out what I see as contributing factors to why we are where we are.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:49 pm to Tupelo
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Terrion Arnold had a bad game against Texas penalty wise, but has had some big plays in the two games so far.
Arnold is a perfect example of the development issue with the program. Here is a player who was a five star, the #2 safety and #26 overall player in the 2021 recruiting class. He has made some obvious effort plays and all the talk was that he worked incredibly hard in the offseason. So the struggle isn't with his character or want-to. He just looks like he doesn't have the talent or speed to keep up with the opposing receiver any time we play a major opponent. How can it be that someone hyped to have this much talent just keeps getting put in situations where his choice is either let the guy blow past him for a touchdown or just tackle him for an obvious PI? Since it isn't just one isolated bust, you have to conclude that the issue is development.
This post was edited on 9/12/23 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 10:02 am to bamabonners
The simple answer to OP's question is...they aren't being developed properly.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 10:07 am to CrimsonCrusade
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Since it isn't just one isolated bust, you have to conclude that the issue is development.
Arnold is a natural safety trying to play corner.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 10:47 am to stomp
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The simple answer to OP's question is...they aren't being developed properly.
Agree with you 100%
Posted on 9/13/23 at 12:40 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Its inexplicable that he did so little last Saturday, but he's a dude
I give all the credit to how the defense looked Saturday to Sark.
I miss him.
Looking back at how that game went Saturday, it’s amazing that Bama was even in the game. I never felt for one minute after they scored that we were better. It was their night. They took the lead back so easy…and when Sark winked and pointed at his qb…it felt like a cat playing with a mouse.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 2:13 pm to TD7
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Agree with you 100%
I personally think it starts in the off-season and preseason conditioning rather than coaching. The development output curve is just much flatter under Ballou than it was under Cochran. I think in hindsight, we were attempting to adapt S&C to modern football but overcorrected, and it's causing us to lose the octane we once had.
And the longer it continues, the worse it'll be. We'll wake up one Sunday morning with a "Honk if you sacked Brodie" hangover...
Posted on 9/13/23 at 2:21 pm to FairhopeTider
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Staff turnover finally caught up to Saban. Player development isn’t what it once was.
You’re on the right path but staff turnover isn’t the problem. The problem is Saban wants to prevent staff turnover so bad that he’s hiring guys who aren’t up to our previous standard. Steele is a fine DC but he’s not going to be as hungry as a guy who’s trying to become one of the top HC candidates in the next couple of years. Rees is TBD but he’s also not up to the level of what we had previously. Every OC we had before him was a former HC or a guy(like Daboll) that needed OC experience to get a HC job but was already ending up on NFL shortlists before he got to Bama. If Saban would hire a staff like the ones we had all the way up to 4 years ago we would still be cooking.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:31 pm to bamabonners
I think they recruited guys who have not worked out - at quarterback. Bound to happen after hitting 3s with the last 4.
Now we know why they were still recruiting a QB this summer.
And, I don’t think there are that many up and coming coaches anymore. Our last three offensive coaches were has-beens (not including the current) who Saban gave a 2nd chance to.
Nothing wrong with that. It is what it is.
But saying that - I think Bama should definitely go after the offensive coach from Colorado in the off season.
Now we know why they were still recruiting a QB this summer.
And, I don’t think there are that many up and coming coaches anymore. Our last three offensive coaches were has-beens (not including the current) who Saban gave a 2nd chance to.
Nothing wrong with that. It is what it is.
But saying that - I think Bama should definitely go after the offensive coach from Colorado in the off season.
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:07 pm to jryanw
For all we know Nick may have hired the coaches that he wanted and wasn't turned down by anybody.
Then again maybe some declined because they had a secure spot and Nick's age was a big consideration for them.
His age is problem and other programs are going to hammer that until he turns in his straw.
If Bama had a QB, then none of these issues would even be talking about at this time.
Then again maybe some declined because they had a secure spot and Nick's age was a big consideration for them.
His age is problem and other programs are going to hammer that until he turns in his straw.
If Bama had a QB, then none of these issues would even be talking about at this time.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:15 pm to Bham4Tide
Everyone always wants to hire the hottest coach.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:31 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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If Bama had a QB, then none of these issues would even be talking about at this time.
If we had a QB, he would simply get us to the playoffs (maybe) while hiding a multitude of other sins (poor trenches driven by poor strength development).
Jake Coker was our Stetson Bennett because the rest of the roster was dump truck strong and Ferrari fast.
Bryce Young likely wins back to back titles with a Cochran-type S&C built roster.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 8:33 pm
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