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re: What do you guys think is Tys issue?
Posted on 12/2/25 at 7:53 am to CrimsonBoz
Posted on 12/2/25 at 7:53 am to CrimsonBoz
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I do want Grubb to get ahold of Ty and changing the play. We need to be faster, and he needs to just run the play.
This … I would never arbitrarily remove a QB’s right to audible but it’s like Ty has become some kind of mad scientist with it.
I think his biggest issue is that he’s become OCD at striving for absolute perfection with the play call at the line, when audibles should be reserved for those moments when the defense is throwing something unexpected at you and you need to adjust.
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:11 am to YStar
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Just another thing they blame and bash Grubb for when the reality is Grubb can't eveb communicate after 15 seconds and it's Ty doing all that.
Not blaming or bashing Grubb but you were a player if a coach tells you stop changing the fricking play you stop changing the play right? He’s the OC, it’s his call.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:26 am to CrimsonBoz
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Not blaming or bashing Grubb but you were a player if a coach tells you stop changing the fricking play you stop changing the play right? He’s the OC, it’s his call.
I wasn't a QB though and I know those guys come and go with their confidence.
As a kicker you understand this.
We want him understanding the overthnking is harming him and the team but you don't want him to not think at all.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:28 am to CrimsonBoz
This … Grubb is the one who should be on Ty asking, “Explain yourself. What are you seeing that you have to constantly be taking 44 seconds to change the play?” And he’s the one who can directly tighten the leash if the explanation is lacking.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:32 am to YStar
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Well I speak from experience... if you have the back injury you're claiming impedes Ty from thinking and being accurate (yet over throwing fast WRs) then you won't be able to run fast, cut quickly or juke.
Look dude, those are 2 separate issues. With respect to the back issues, yes you can play. But if you have ever played a competitive sport with a nagging injury, and it is apparent you have not, you would know that it is present in your head at all times. It’s not like you can ignore it. So it takes a special kind of mental toughness to play through it.
Now, playing through an injury with a bunch of pissed off 300 LB dudes running at me wanting to tear my head off requires another level of mental toughness.
So quit trying to split hairs and equivocate. Go cheer for the back up QB in Seattle.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:34 am to Bham Bammer
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Throws a flat deep ball. Doesn’t give receiver a chance to run under it. Literally he’s missed probably 4-5 touchdowns that should have been easy. Gotta put more air under it. If he could hit one or two it would change the offense.
I believe he’s waiting too long and then tries to fire it out on a rope. He not only overthrows most of the time but also allows the defender to make a play on the ball.
I remember Joe Burrow saying if see’s the defender’s back to him, he’s throwing the ball.
This post was edited on 12/2/25 at 8:36 am
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:55 am to InkStainedWretch
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This … Grubb is the one who should be on Ty asking, “Explain yourself. What are you seeing that you have to constantly be taking 44 seconds to change the play?” And he’s the one who can directly tighten the leash if the explanation is lacking.
Watch Grubb's last couple of post game interviews. Each one he is either pointing to QB errors or specifically pointing out something the QB should have done and nothing has changed.. it actually got worse.
We literally can't bench Ty; we need him. So the only way forward is somehow getting his confidence up because that is the reason all these other things are so exaggerated and getting worse
Posted on 12/2/25 at 8:59 am to Ten Bears
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it is apparent you have not
Lol
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So it takes a special kind of mental toughness to play through it.
So this iniury doesn't stop him from overthrowing speedy WRs but does impede him from making the right reads, throwing accurately on intermediate passes and makes him run backward instead of stepping up in the pocket or throwing the ball away.
Thanks for making my point.
You guys don't even know what you're talking about and want everyone from Grubb to backup RBs held at 1000% accountability but make every excuse under the sun because God forbid Ty be held accountable.
This is the most unfootball, un-Saban crap I have seen.
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So quit trying to split hairs and equivocate. Go cheer for the back up QB in Seattle.
The irony is I ripped Milroe the same. I said he couldn't be benched the same.
Why is it you guys are only offended when I did it with Ty but not with Milroe?
You guys are pathetic
Posted on 12/2/25 at 9:14 am to YStar
No you didn’t.
For some reason, you got offended when JM was described as having a low IQ or not having mental capacity to read a defense.
Now it’s your argument for Ty.
I get it bro. Keep up the good fight.
For some reason, you got offended when JM was described as having a low IQ or not having mental capacity to read a defense.
Now it’s your argument for Ty.
I get it bro. Keep up the good fight.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 9:16 am to YStar
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The irony is I ripped Milroe the same. I said he couldn't be benched the same.
Nope. You were gargling his balls up to the Oklahoma fiasco when many of saw stuff in 2023 that gave us concerns.
To say you extended the same courtesy to Ty is frickin laughable.
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You guys don't even know what you're talking about and want everyone from Grubb to backup RBs held at 1000% accountability but make every excuse under the sun because God forbid Ty be held accountable.
Read the board dude, plenty of people are critical of Ty overthinking things. But to deny that there aren’t issues with our OL, RBs, and Grubb requires well, a special sort of stupid
This post was edited on 12/2/25 at 9:19 am
Posted on 12/2/25 at 9:58 am to YStar
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quote:Not blaming or bashing Grubb but you were a player if a coach tells you stop changing the fricking play you stop changing the play right? He’s the OC, it’s his call. I wasn't a QB though and I know those guys come and go with their confidence. As a kicker you understand this. We want him understanding the overthnking is harming him and the team but you don't want him to not think at all.
When I played the OC constantly was in the QB’s ear. Regular conversations, arse chewing etc. The QB coach is development the OC is the general.
Based on what I’ve seen at games, and now that Grubb is on the sidelines, he is interacting more with Ty now. He didn’t at all before.
It’s a fine line, we can guess at their relationship but it seems like Grubb gives him a ton of space for Ty to make adjustments. He may need to reel that in.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 10:13 am to YStar
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Watch Grubb's last couple of post game interviews. Each one he is either pointing to QB errors or specifically pointing out something the QB should have done and nothing has changed.. it actually got worse.
We literally can't bench Ty; we need him. So the only way forward is somehow getting his confidence up because that is the reason all these other things are so exaggerated and getting wors
it's pointless to mention any real flaws our 800K + per year QB makes in a game. Any criticism, real or not, is devastating to the soft and fragile fee fees on this forum.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 1:14 pm to jellyhead
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For some reason, you got offended when JM was described as having a low IQ or not having mental capacity to read a defense.
I was the one saying Milroe was mentally weak and fell apart any time thing didn't go perfect.
I was also the one who said, he was the best option because the coaches stuck by him so we had to... well until that Tennessee game last year and I wanted him gone at all cost.
You guys are so transparent though. I don't care about the skin color of any player but obviously that is very important to some of you
Posted on 12/2/25 at 1:17 pm to Ten Bears
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Nope. You were gargling his balls up to the Oklahoma fiasco when many of saw stuff in 2023 that gave us concerns.
Leave your homosexual fantasies to yourself.
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Read the board dude, plenty of people are critical of Ty overthinking things. But to deny that there aren’t issues
Never denied issues with anyone. What I have done is say "everyone, especially the leaders should be accountable" and that makes you guys mad. I don't care. That is how football works.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 1:21 pm to CrimsonBoz
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When I played the OC constantly was in the QB’s ear. Regular conversations, arse chewing etc. The QB coach is development the OC is the general.
Based on what I’ve seen at games, and now that Grubb is on the sidelines, he is interacting more with Ty now. He didn’t at all before.
Dame experience for me from middle school to prospective, however with different personalities you have to manage them differently
If you remember Grubb said he didn't ride Ty hard early on till we lost to FSU and Ty said he was okay with it. What does that tell you? They felt it was something Ty wouldn't handle well.
In the end the most important thing is to recover Ty mentally so he can get back to being the first round level QB he had shown he can be.
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It’s a fine line, we can guess at their relationship
That is all I'm saying.
What I also know is Grubb is pretty smart and has slowly made adjustments to help Ty.
What happens is that for some people (specifically only here) any time something goes wrong and it's actually on Ty they either attack the people who call it out or make excuses for why it happened.
Since when does excuses or being defensive ever produced a good return in football?
Posted on 12/2/25 at 3:53 pm to BFANLC
He’s playing with an undisclosed injury. Not enough to hold him out but enough to impact his play.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 4:01 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Grubb gives him a ton of space for Ty to make adjustments
Yes, and maybe it's worth reiterating that one crux of the DeBoer/Grubb scheme is a check to a "beater" play.
When the QB goes to the line, he has a called play that works against specific defensive sets. If he sees something else, there is an automatic check to a different play that will instead beat that one. Thus, theoretically, if done correctly, the resulting play has a very good chance to be effective (which is why Milroe struggled).
Accordingly, defenses have begun disguising their coverages until the snap, which baits Ty into going with the wrong play. Auburn was showing single-high and then bailing into a cover-three shell, for example.
He's still capable of adjusting to this, but with the loss of that one second or so post-snap, plus the jailbreak tendencies of the OL, he just doesn't have time to read and get the ball out like he did earlier in the season. I think this is why we're seeing some deeper five or seven-step drops.
I'm sure we'll adjust in the post-season considering they've run this offense since Michael Penix (and before), but the OL making and executing the appropriate protection calls/shifts pre-snap is also critical. Keep in mind that our starting center is not out there making these calls full time because he's essentially playing on one leg.
Posted on 12/3/25 at 2:08 pm to YStar
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YStar
I wish that someone would sit CKD and Grubb down and force them to watch the Saban's epic arse smacking/chewing of AJ video on repeat for an entire day so they get the proper wording and hand to asscheek technique perfect before using it on Ty...sometimes we all need a good arse-chewing instead of having our ego stroked.
I'm guessing you disagree with me so I will defer to you and others as y'all are significantly more savvy/smarter than I.
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