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re: Watching Keelon’s highlights I could see him starting.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:00 am to Amarillo Tide
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:00 am to Amarillo Tide
Then apparently he either handed off every time or didn't throw enough passes to matter. Regardless, he's had so little SEC experience it barely registers.
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:11 am to TheTideMustRoll
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Is it? The times I saw Simpson play I didn't see him going out and lighting the world on fire. He was serviceable, but it isn't like the offense clicked into another gear when he was on the field. What did you see that led you to believe that he was inarguably the best QB on the roster?
This is where people lost me on the Saban going to Tua comparison of Deboer being a weak HC by not going to Simpson. It was obvious to everyone that Tua was special because the offense seemed to go to another level when he got in the game. That never happened when Simpson saw the field in any appearance. I'm hoping he lights it up if he wins the job, but nothing he's done on the field points to that being the case.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:41 am to JoylessMurderball
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This is where people lost me on the Saban going to Tua comparison of Deboer being a weak HC by not going to Simpson. It was obvious to everyone that Tua was special because the offense seemed to go to another level when he got in the game. That never happened when Simpson saw the field in any appearance. I'm hoping he lights it up if he wins the job, but nothing he's done on the field points to that being the case.
Tua was given almost full halves of football during the entire season.
The offense under Hurts would collect these gargantuan leads and then Tua was allowed to take over about five minutes or so in the second half. I can't remember all the games this happened but it was alot. Also, Saban had to play him because they were living under the constant threat of Tua's transfer.
CKD married himself to an inferior quarterback last season and the reason for it is well known now. Jalen Milroe helped keep the team together. The reason Milroe kept the job isn't speculation anymore, it's common knowledge. CKD rewarded Milroe for his part in all this and stuck it out 'til the bitter end.
All of this has come to light. There's no mystery here. Jalen Milroe didn't "earn the job". He was rewarded with it.
The only "speculation" in all this, is what role did locker room politics and bullshite play in Milroe keeping the job?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:53 am to Pandy Fackler
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All of this has come to light. There's no mystery here. Jalen Milroe didn't "earn the job". He was rewarded with it.
I dont disagree that CKD was loyal to Milroe because Milroe was loyal to him and Alabama. I just disagree that Simpson has shown anything worthy of the confidence people have that he's going to light the CFB world on fire. In the snaps he's had, his ceiling in my opinion is similar to Carson Beck, but his floor could be much worse because he trusts his arm a little too much. Two of his throws vs Mercer would have been picks if the opponent was anyone but Mercer. I think Mack threw a better ball than anyone else in the Mercer game.
I just also struggle rationalizing that Saban signed off on a freaking lacrosse player starting before Simpson at USF. To allow that to happen speaks volumes about where they thought he was as a QB, and I just cant get that out of my memory when it comes to my opinion on Simpson.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:58 am to NWLA_Bama
Doesn't matter, I'd be real surprised if Ty starting at bama. Maybe he'll start for UT Martin one day...
Austin Mack most likely QB 1.
Austin Mack most likely QB 1.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 10:00 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:00 am to JoylessMurderball
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I just disagree that Simpson has shown anything worthy of the confidence people have that he's going to light the CFB world on fire ...
I just also struggle rationalizing that Saban signed off on a freaking lacrosse player starting before Simpson at USF.
I've been a proponent of Simpson's for a couple of years now, so my view of the situation is likely biased. Just wanna be up-front about that.
I'm not sure anyone is saying Simpson will "light the CFB world on fire" if he starts. I guess It's possible he could have a Mac Jones type of year, which would be phenomenal ... but my expectation is he'll be a good QB who provides a great play occasionally. Which, frankly, would be a step in the right direction for us.
I don't think Simpson has been able to show everything he can do within the offense at this point. The biggest advantage he has over Milroe, in my opinion, is his ability to process a situation and make a quick decision. To my eyes, the offense just seemed to be more efficient and operate more smoothly with him vs. Milroe. There were far fewer explosive plays with Simpson, but there also seemed to be far fewer big busts. Admittedly, that's an uneducated feeling -- I don't have any stats to back that up. He just seemed to have a better understanding of the offense and where to go with the ball in general.
I'm not terribly concerned about Buchner getting the starting nod over Simpson in the 2023 USF game. I'd guess Rees made that recommendation to Saban rather than Saban doing an in-depth evaluation of the two and making the call himself. Since Rees was more familiar with Buchner, having coached him at Notre Dame, Buchner got the start.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:04 am to Sauron
Some good points there but ... I guess consider this a devil's advocate question, because again IMO none of us know with metaphysical certainty what Simpson's exact capabilities are ... will this offense work at its true potential with a "good quarterback who makes a great play occasionally?"
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:15 am to JoylessMurderball
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I dont disagree that CKD was loyal to Milroe because Milroe was loyal to him and Alabama. I just disagree that Simpson has shown anything worthy of the confidence people have that he's going to light the CFB world on fire. In the snaps he's had, his ceiling in my opinion is similar to Carson Beck, but his floor could be much worse because he trusts his arm a little too much. Two of his throws vs Mercer would have been picks if the opponent was anyone but Mercer. I think Mack threw a better ball than anyone else in the Mercer game.
I just also struggle rationalizing that Saban signed off on a freaking lacrosse player starting before Simpson at USF. To allow that to happen speaks volumes about where they thought he was as a QB, and I just cant get that out of my memory when it comes to my opinion on Simpson.
Well there's more to the post than what you quoted.
Simpson hasn't shown anything. He wasn't allowed to. As it relates to your OP, Milroe and this offense was so goddamn bad, they were never able to gain any of the Hurts leads that allowed Tua to play.
And to the other part. That was the season before last man. They didn't think highly of any of them.
Next season, this fanbase is gonna be happy as frick and pissed as shite. Happy that Simpson is starting and pissed that an entire season of football was squandered over Jalen fricking Milroe and his LANK bullshite.
Everyone will see what could've been.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 11:16 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:17 am to InkStainedWretch
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will this offense work at its true potential with a "good quarterback who makes a great play occasionally?"
I'm gonna say "yes" (of course), but I'll have to defer to others to justify the answer.
I don't watch the SkyCast version of games, or other options where you see most of the field -- I just watch the broadcast version. Based on what others have said, though, there were multiple plays in basically every game where receivers were open, but Milroe didn't see them.
To my mind, a good quarterback can read the defense pre-snap, and can process the formation/movement shortly after the snap to know where his best receiving option should be. That's the mental and decision-making part of the game that (I think) Simpson does much better than Milroe. If Simpson can read those coverages and make the right decision with his throw, I think we'll be much better offensively.
Shoot, if we can just avoid having 3+ turnovers and/or several big negative-yardage sacks per game, I think we'll be much better.
Does that mean we'll be running DeBoer's offense at peak capacity? Probably not. But I think it should give us an excellent chance to win 90% or more of our games.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:28 am to Sauron
Again, good stuff.
And again, if Simpson gets the job, I hope he knocks 'em dead.
My deal is .. even though I have said I have been impressed with Austin Mack, I will own that and not run from it ... I'm not tied to anyone as far as who should be the starter. Simpson, Mack, Russell, some wild card ... after last year, I want THE BEST QUARTERBACK to have the job, period. I don't care what his name is or how long he's been there.
And again, if Simpson gets the job, I hope he knocks 'em dead.
My deal is .. even though I have said I have been impressed with Austin Mack, I will own that and not run from it ... I'm not tied to anyone as far as who should be the starter. Simpson, Mack, Russell, some wild card ... after last year, I want THE BEST QUARTERBACK to have the job, period. I don't care what his name is or how long he's been there.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 11:29 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:33 am to InkStainedWretch
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I'm not tied to anyone as far as who should be the starter. Simpson, Mack, Russell, some wild card ... after last year, I want THE BEST QUARTERBACK to have the job, period.
I agree completely. I like Simpson, because I think he's better than people give him credit for and I admire his loyalty, particularly in this day and age. But I want the best guy for the job.
My only fear is if we start Russell, we likely nuke our QB depth.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:54 am to Sauron
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My only fear is if we start Russell, we likely nuke our QB depth.
I don't envy coaches having to walk that minefield these days.
I said in a thread a while back, it simply doesn't make sense in the current environment to stockpile a roster full of 5-star quarterbacks. There aren't enough footballs for everyone and somebody's gonna split.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:16 pm to Sauron
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I've been a proponent of Simpson's for a couple of years now, so my view of the situation is likely biased. Just wanna be up-front about that.
I'm not sure anyone is saying Simpson will "light the CFB world on fire" if he starts. I guess It's possible he could have a Mac Jones type of year, which would be phenomenal ... but my expectation is he'll be a good QB who provides a great play occasionally. Which, frankly, would be a step in the right direction for us.
I don't think Simpson has been able to show everything he can do within the offense at this point. The biggest advantage he has over Milroe, in my opinion, is his ability to process a situation and make a quick decision. To my eyes, the offense just seemed to be more efficient and operate more smoothly with him vs. Milroe. There were far fewer explosive plays with Simpson, but there also seemed to be far fewer big busts. Admittedly, that's an uneducated feeling -- I don't have any stats to back that up. He just seemed to have a better understanding of the offense and where to go with the ball in general.
I'm not terribly concerned about Buchner getting the starting nod over Simpson in the 2023 USF game. I'd guess Rees made that recommendation to Saban rather than Saban doing an in-depth evaluation of the two and making the call himself. Since Rees was more familiar with Buchner, having coached him at Notre Dame, Buchner got the start.
This is a fairly solid take, but to the emboldened part, that shite stopped with Milroe. What little he did well, he either stopped doing entirely or did only sometimes. He devolved to pure shite yet still kept the job, and it wasn't because he was better than Simpson.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:34 pm to Sauron
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I'm not sure anyone is saying Simpson will "light the CFB world on fire" if he starts. I guess It's possible he could have a Mac Jones type of year, which would be phenomenal ... but my expectation is he'll be a good QB who provides a great play occasionally. Which, frankly, would be a step in the right direction for us.
Just from this thread you have the comment of "Will he be great? Maybe, maybe not. But, my bet is he'll probably be very good, if not great."
I just haven't seen anything from him that would lead to believe he would be very good, if not great. I think he will be a good QB, but is Alabama's roster around him good enough to be great as a unit? I dont think so, especially if the running game struggles of the past two years continues.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:41 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Well there's more to the post than what you quoted.
Simpson hasn't shown anything. He wasn't allowed to. As it relates to your OP, Milroe and this offense was so goddamn bad, they were never able to gain any of the Hurts leads that allowed Tua to play.
Simpson played vs USF in 2023... that didnt look great. He played vs Mercer and should have had (2) INT's if it was anyone but Mercer..
And to the other part. That was the season before last man. They didn't think highly of any of them.
I guess that's one way to explain why two other QB's started before him with the GOAT as the HC.
Next season, this fanbase is gonna be happy as frick and pissed as shite. Happy that Simpson is starting and pissed that an entire season of football was squandered over Jalen fricking Milroe and his LANK bullshite.
Everyone will see what could've been.
I hope that whoever wins the job does well. I dont think Milroe was the only issue with this past years team, and I think people like you who are obsessed over Milroe are a bit unstable and not really capable of having an intelligent discussion.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:57 pm to JoylessMurderball
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I just haven't seen anything from him that would lead to believe he would be very good, if not great. I think he will be a good QB, but is Alabama's roster around him good enough to be great as a unit?
I don't know that the offense has to be "great" to win a championship. I wouldn't characterize Michigan's offense last year as "great" -- they just did enough to win.
I freely admit I'm projecting my hopes on Simpson based on how he seemed to operate the offense in 2024. Not overly explosive, but seemingly less herky-jerky than the offense was when Milroe was the QB.
The closest analog in my mind was when Mac Jones was pressed into service for the last two games in 2019 after Tua got hurt vs. Mississippi State. Jones doesn't have the pure talent of Tua, and he got much of the blame for the Auburn loss, but even then you could see his ability. And in 2020 he showed what he could do.
I'm not saying Ty Simpson will have the equivalent of the Mac Jones 2020 campaign. I think it's possible, but I wouldn't bet any money on it.
However, I DO think he's going to be an upgrade at the QB position from a decision-making and processing standpoint, and that alone would make us much more efficient offensively.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:00 pm to JoylessMurderball
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I hope that whoever wins the job does well. I dont think Milroe was the only issue with this past years team, and I think people like you who are obsessed over Milroe are a bit unstable and not really capable of having an intelligent discussion.
Fine, I'm unstable. You still struggle to get the quote correct.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:07 pm to bamabonners
I guess we'll find out in the fall. I do know they filled his pockets full of NIL money ($600K to be exact) to ensure he didn't transfer. I'm not sure they would have done that if the staff had any inclination he couldn't do it.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:23 pm to NWLA_Bama
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I guess we'll find out in the fall. I do know they filled his pockets full of NIL money ($600K to be exact) to ensure he didn't transfer. I'm not sure they would have done that if the staff had any inclination he couldn't do it.
This is about the truth of it right here.
Ty Simpson hung around for two reasons. Moolah and assurances. He got both.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:29 pm to Pandy Fackler
I just want a good quarterback because this coach's offense ain't gonna work with a bad quarterback. I don't care if his name is Simpson or Schwartz.
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