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Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:27 pm to
Posted by IB4bama
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:27 pm to
my suspicion is that the ones who are getting paid, are using handlers. I doubt many schools just go directly to a recruit and offer money. Its would be too easy to get caught that way. The players that want money let it be known through the back door, and then the Will Wades of this world pay them through their handlers.
Posted by Chadaristic
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 2:21 pm to
Trey Murphy III to Virginia and Justin Turner back to Bowling Green.
Posted by Robot Santa
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 3:00 pm to
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my suspicion is that the ones who are getting paid, are using handlers. I doubt many schools just go directly to a recruit and offer money. Its would be too easy to get caught that way. The players that want money let it be known through the back door, and then the Will Wades of this world pay them through their handlers.


Sure, but the handlers also let it be known that they will "encourage" the recruit to focus on those schools who offer the most. And that is the point where the recruits themselves start to get a cut of the action. I mean take Wade's word for it when he says that Javonte Smart didn't like his initial offer because not enough of it went to him personally and instead went to his family. And keep in mind that the Cam and Cecil loophole is closed now. You can't avoid sanctions simply because the only person the NCAA can prove took money was a relative and can't prove the player had actual knowledge of it. So even if all the money is funneled to handlers you are playing with fire by recruiting a kid with the stink of Wade and Penny on them.
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 3:02 pm
Posted by IB4bama
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 3:52 pm to
well, if the handler doesnt get what he thinks he should get, then there could be a problem, because he could raise a stink. But it took the FBI, and the threat of imprisonment to get the handler to talk about Will Wade. The ncaa just doesnt have any power to make someone talk. Or the kid could get mad over playing time or something and spill the beans after he jumped to prof bball. Usually its too late for the ncaa to do anything about it though.
Posted by Chadaristic
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 4:00 pm to
Posted by phil4bama
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 4:40 pm to
Translation: The price got too high.
Posted by Tide or Die87
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 4:57 pm to
Haha you know it's fishy when you just stop recruiting the top kid
Posted by mistaken4193
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 5:52 pm to
Same thing happened with Watford. I heard his family had Penny and Wade in an all out bidding war. Wade obviously won
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 6:23 pm to
Memphis ended up signing two post players ranked higher than Watford in Wiseman and Achiuwa I think thats why he went to LSU, of course im sure they paid him too
Posted by mistaken4193
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 6:26 pm to
When he didn’t know Wade was gonna keep his job he was 100% Memphis because that was the biggest offer still on the table. He didn’t care who they already signed they were offering the most $. Wade got reinstated and he pushed his commitment date back
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 6:28 pm to
I got the feeling he was all Memphis til it became obvious they were gonna sign Achiuwa. I think he was always Memphis back up option to Achiuwa.

Achiuwa is a lot better PF than Watford, he is probably gonna be drafted in the top 10 picks this draft.

Watford signed with LSU 3 days after Achiuwa signed with Memphis.
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 7:05 pm
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 6:36 pm to
Im not saying you are wrong about a bidding war im sure memphis wouldve still have taken him I just dont think he wanted to go to Memphis and be their third option in the post
Posted by Chadaristic
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 6:50 pm to
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Top-50 junior Frank Anselem told @Stockrisers this evening: “Alabama, LSU and Georgia are recruiting me the hardest.”

Also reaffirmed that he could still potentially make move into the 2020 class. That’s just an option he has. No final decision made yet.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 6:52 pm to
So we should just stop recruiting JD Davidson and any other recruit that LSU and/or Memphis want because we are just wasting out time? You seriously think that?

Youre aware that Will Wade recruited Kira Lewis pretty hard right?
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 7:11 pm
Posted by Robot Santa
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:08 pm to
If a player is being heavily recruited by programs that are widely known to be extremely dirty, then at an absolute minimum our compliance office should be working overtime to ensure that we are not in danger of having them retroactively ruled ineligible. But to answer your question, I really don't believe it is worth the risk. There are plenty of great players that can be recruited without finding yourself as the 3rd wheel in a bidding war where the best possible outcome is signing a player who shouldn't even be eligible.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:21 pm to
There are a lot of players that Memphis and LSU have tried to sign who they didn't and none of the players were ruled ineligible as far as I know. Kira Lewis wasn't and I am glad we didn't quit recruiting him just because Will Wade was.







This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 8:28 pm
Posted by phil4bama
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 9:34 pm to
Then there's James Wiseman.

I don't want to play these games L$U and Memphi$ are playing. I'm not naive enough to think recruiting is clean. But I don't want to go up against the pros at it either. I want the NCAA to do their damn job and shut it down. By that, I mean get it back to a discreet level where everyone is doing the same type of thing, not paying and flaunting it.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 9:54 pm to
James Wiseman wasn’t signed by someone other than Memphis, if he had been there wouldn’t have been an issue, the issue was that Penny paid for him to move to Memphis back when he was his AAU coach and then ended up being his college coach too so they counted him as a booster.


Name a kid that was recruited by LSU or Memphis and signed somewhere else who was ruled ineligible, I can’t think of one.

Not recruiting a guy because LSU or Memphis is, is stupid. Combined this year both schools have offered probably 20 players and have signed about 4.
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 9:58 pm
Posted by Robot Santa
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 10:31 pm to
Well first of all Penny is considered a Memphis booster because he played basketball there, not because he was hired to coach there. Secondly, if you think that a) he only paid James Wiseman and his family ~$12k for moving expenses and b) paid to move James Wiseman to Memphis for literally any reason besides creating additional leverage for himself to get that job then I have some beachfront property in Kansas I'd like to sell you.

The reality is that there are certain programs that cause a lot of red flags to go up when they start to get really involved with a recruit. And especially now since all the shite with Adidas and the FBI came out. You don't think that there is a microscope placed on literally any kid Will Wade so much as sends a text message to right now? And considering the fact that even after he got caught he still got right back in the saddle and paid for Watford, something tells me he won't be deterred in continuing to assemble a semi-pro team every year until the NCAA decides to do something about it. The last fricking thing we need is to end up with a couple of players who get caught up in the fallout when it happens.
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 10:33 pm
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 10:40 pm to
If we didn’t recruit players because LSU or Memphis did then that would be 30 or so top kids a year we wouldn’t be recruiting, I dont think Oats would keep his job very long if he was going by that plan.

There are players who actually want to play for a coach that can teach them how to be a better basketball player or some want to stay close to home, among a multitude of other things they could be looking for in a school. You’d be keeping yourself from being in on a bunch of good players that are gonna end up going somewhere other than Memphis, LSU, Arizona, or Kansas.
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