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Posted on 4/19/19 at 7:05 pm to mistaken4193
Posted on 4/19/19 at 7:05 pm to mistaken4193
Who knows how 1st year transition will go but for the 1st time in years I'm more looking forward to upcoming basketball season over football. I like the makeup & potential of this team with 1 more playmaker to come.
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 7:09 pm to Canyon16
Im excited but 2017-2018 taught me to not believe it until I see it.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 7:23 pm to mistaken4193
CNO is relentless on the recruiting trail. Nothing but good things so far. And by all accounts he's a very, very good teacher, floor coach, and motivator. I think it's about to be a very fun ride.
I understand the skepticism after the last 25+ yrs of mostly mediocrity. But I think we will be quite happy in a few years. I'm much higher on Oats' pure coaching ability as a teacher and in-game college coach than I was when looking forward to Hobbs, Gottfried, Grant, or Avery.
I understand the skepticism after the last 25+ yrs of mostly mediocrity. But I think we will be quite happy in a few years. I'm much higher on Oats' pure coaching ability as a teacher and in-game college coach than I was when looking forward to Hobbs, Gottfried, Grant, or Avery.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:10 pm to Bama3714
If we get Quinerly or RJ Cole I’ll be over the moon. Either would have to sit out a year but would likely be our starting PG in 2020.
This post was edited on 4/19/19 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:14 pm to Bamafan18
Do Oats and Hodson have any kind of preexisting relationship with Cole or Quinerly?
Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:19 pm to Bryant91092
I saw on Twitter that Oats does with Cole through the Hurleys
Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:49 pm to mistaken4193
Slightly OT but all the corndogs are celebrating the fact that Wade and Sean Miller won’t have to testify next week. They think they’ve skated and it’s business as usual for Wade and his skrong arse offers. What they failed to realize according to the attorney for the defendant, was that NOTHING in the judge’s ruling precludes the introduction of the wire tap tapes as evidence
If Wade and Miller were put on the stand, both would have most likely exercised their 5th amendment rights against self-incrimination. But there’s nothing to prevent introducing the tapes to incriminate them.
I can’t wait to see the melt when Wade and Miller are roasted on a spit in that courtroom without them ever uttering a word. It’s all recorded neatly in digital Dolby sound.
If Wade and Miller were put on the stand, both would have most likely exercised their 5th amendment rights against self-incrimination. But there’s nothing to prevent introducing the tapes to incriminate them.
I can’t wait to see the melt when Wade and Miller are roasted on a spit in that courtroom without them ever uttering a word. It’s all recorded neatly in digital Dolby sound.
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 10:42 pm to phil4bama
Posted on 4/19/19 at 11:11 pm to phil4bama
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If Wade and Miller were put on the stand, both would have most likely exercised their 5th amendment rights against self-incrimination
Based on what the federal charges are, HCs do not appear to be criminally liable for paying recruits.
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precludes the introduction of the wire tap tapes as evidence
The feds were the ones who did not want Miller/Wade to testify
Defendant was the one who issued subpoena
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when Wade and Miller are roasted on a spit in that courtroom without them ever uttering a word.
It is unlikely to happen given the ruling as Wade/Miller were declared irrelevant to the court case
Posted on 4/19/19 at 11:41 pm to GenesChin
Saw where the NCAA nailed some school for text book violations the other day and made them vacate victories in a lot of sports over it.
If the NCAA does nothing over this “strong arse offer” deal then Ill be very surprised. I think Wade and LSU will get nailed over this.
If the NCAA does nothing over this “strong arse offer” deal then Ill be very surprised. I think Wade and LSU will get nailed over this.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 11:42 pm to GenesChin
Sure Gene, the FBI and NCAA can do it your way: go after a couple of shoe company execs and a couple of assistant coaches and the whole nasty system will keep rolling along. We’ll just replace the principal participants and nobody will miss a beat. Just let the whole sleazy system keep on putrefying.
Don’t you think that when the tip of the iceberg was uncovered, they realized that they would have to reboot the whole system to make it stop and that is their ultimate goal? Otherwise, they’ve accomplished nothing. And that the NCAA has to do their part to fix it or their monopoly exemption will be in jeopardy with Congress?
You can’t put the contents back into Pandora’s box. The slime has been put out there for all the world to see and judge. You can’t just ignore it now. Something will be done or they might as well shut it down and ship everybody to the G league.
Don’t you think that when the tip of the iceberg was uncovered, they realized that they would have to reboot the whole system to make it stop and that is their ultimate goal? Otherwise, they’ve accomplished nothing. And that the NCAA has to do their part to fix it or their monopoly exemption will be in jeopardy with Congress?
You can’t put the contents back into Pandora’s box. The slime has been put out there for all the world to see and judge. You can’t just ignore it now. Something will be done or they might as well shut it down and ship everybody to the G league.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 12:05 am to phil4bama
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go after a couple of shoe company execs
FBI has been cracking down on Shoe Company corruption in multiple sports from Olympics to NCAA
It is very clear the FBI framed this as a shoe company corruption conspiracy scandal. They no shite made the Adidas guy repay Kansas for paying players to go to Kansas
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whole nasty system will keep rolling along
This is economics 101 of the development of a black market.
As long as the Players are more valuable to schools/shoe companies than the scholarships they offer, people will risk legal ramifications to profit off that gap.
If anything, the system would end up getting even worse as the figures involved in NCAA would be of even more questionable moral character
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make it stop and that is their ultimate goal?
FBI isn't trying to protect amateurism, they are only trying to clear out corruption
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monopoly exemption will be in jeopardy with Congress?
NCAA has no monopoly nor antitrust exemption
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Something will be done
What should be done is pay the players instead of NCAA and AD officials
Whole problem goes away
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 12:11 am
Posted on 4/20/19 at 1:24 am to GenesChin
Is it currently illegal by NCAA rules to pay a players family under the table to send said player to a certain school?
I was under the impression that it still is.
The fact that you have Wade on wiretap discussing it is about as good of evidence as the NCAA could hope to get. They need to make an example of L$U.
I was under the impression that it still is.
The fact that you have Wade on wiretap discussing it is about as good of evidence as the NCAA could hope to get. They need to make an example of L$U.
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 1:27 am
Posted on 4/20/19 at 2:46 am to GenesChin
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What should be done is pay the players instead of NCAA and AD officials Whole problem goes away
Sorry not following this jump. Wouldn’t you still have to pay AD officials and some sort of governing body to oversee fair play and pay? Seems like you’re trading a set of relatively small problems for another set that could have drastic negative impacts.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 7:50 am to Gongora
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NCAA has no monopoly nor antitrust exemption
Yes Gene, the NCAA is a monopoly which is allowed to continue by government with the understanding that they perform the necessary function of policing and regulating college athletics:
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Writing for Businessweek magazine in 2002, influential economist and Harvard professor Robert J. Barro dubbed the NCAA his Monopoly of the Year — beating out OPEC, Microsoft and the U.S. Postal Service. Federal judge and legal scholar Richard Posner notes that the NCAA is actually a “monopsony” — that is, a cartel that agrees to fix prices for a key input (in this case, scholarship athletes) as opposed to an output (multibillion-dollar television rights).
And they keep losing antitrust suits regularly:
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So if the courts repeatedly deem them so, why are they allowed to continue? Because of the unwritten understanding with the federal government that they perform a necessary function that fills a gap that would have to otherwise be filled. If they cannot adequately and at least relatively efficiently perform that function, their allowance to continue unregulated becomes rather dubious and they know it.
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 7:53 am
Posted on 4/20/19 at 8:49 am to phil4bama
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phil4bama
The NCAA does not have any legal exemption, understanding or otherwise to operate as a monopoly
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And they keep losing antitrust suits regularly:
That is because the NCAA doesn't pay players which violates antitrust
Not because the NCAA is failing to enforce rules
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 8:51 am
Posted on 4/20/19 at 8:55 am to Gongora
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Wouldn’t you still have to pay AD officials and some sort of governing body to oversee fair play and pay?
I meant that there is a lot of overpaid fat in the NCAA/ADs because athletic departments have excess surplus and no stakeholders to redistribute to Except themselves
There is no reason a glorified handshaker like Jay Jacobs should have been paid >$1mil per year with $3mil severance to stop shaking hands
Posted on 4/20/19 at 11:05 am to GenesChin
It's all about leverage. Schools like Bama and Auburn should have a pipeline of folks that fill the AD spot.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 1:58 pm to RollTide4Ever
Gene, just be quiet and go back to your own board. You are stinking this one up lately. Multiple congressmen have threatened the NCAA over the years with taking away their monopoly status. You don’t threaten someone by taking away something they don’t have.
I’m tired of this argument anyway. You aren’t going to change your opinion and neither am I. So just drop it. You need to hope it gets dropped anyway since Auburn has an assistant caught up in the mess pretty deep. Is Chuck going to roll over on Bruce? You never know.
Thrilled to see Nate working the recruiting circuit. Any news on Pett or when Watford will announce?
I’m tired of this argument anyway. You aren’t going to change your opinion and neither am I. So just drop it. You need to hope it gets dropped anyway since Auburn has an assistant caught up in the mess pretty deep. Is Chuck going to roll over on Bruce? You never know.
Thrilled to see Nate working the recruiting circuit. Any news on Pett or when Watford will announce?
Posted on 4/20/19 at 2:37 pm to CrimsonFever
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Good interview with Beetle Bolden from today about why he chose Alabama ect.
Seems like a good kid. Very well spoken.
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