re: Time to head to the lake

I saw Brockermeyer a few weeks ago while I was downtown, he doesn’t look anywhere near as big as a typical SEC lineman

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Saban once lost to Louisiana fricking Monroe.

Look, I’m not arguing that Dabo should be the guy. He’s probably not in my top 2 or 3, but we could do a LOT worse.

But, for the life of me I’ll never understand the seething, irrational hatred for him or how some people can shite on one of our own.

Those are some STUPID frickers. Oh, noes! We might give a guy a look who is one of ours and has won 2 Natty’s and kicked our own arse and outcoached one of the GOATS along the way. ? Dumbasses.

Now, go downvote away as if that will change it.

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You can go and give him a lifetime achievement award on your own time.

Adults will hopefully be making more intelligent decisions when the time comes.

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I would have no issue with Dabo or Bowden from Kentucky

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You mean Stoops?

He has done a good job at Kentucky of all places. I have wondered what he could do with a program like Bama.

Not sure he’s in my A list, though. I can’t say I’d be disappointed.

We also have to realize that the probability is that whoever follows Saban is also going to have an extremely difficult job and will probably be a placeholder for a couple of years. See Ray Perkins.

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But not since 2018.

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Then your irrational hatred and fear that we might look at Dabo on our A list to replace Saban one day is unfounded. So why worry about it?

I’ve also heard some of the reason for the seething hatred is Dabo’s “Aw shucks,” coach speak.

You kids would have HATED Gene Stallings- which is where he learned it. And Stallings learned it from the GOAT- Paul Bryant.

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Nick Saban surpassed Bryant a while back.

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That’s debatable. Hard to compare different eras and all, but for my money I’ll take Coach Bryant.

Saban requires a massive talent advantage. Coach Bryant, as they say, could take his players and beat yours and then take your players and beat his.

Also, Coach Bryant had 3 National Championships robbed from him- he would have 3-peated twice if not for it. He was robbed because of northern bias.

It was a lot harder to win championships in a subjective system than in an objective system. Saban would not have 7 championships in Bryant’s era. For example, Saban would never have won the 2011 championship in the old subjective voting system.

I’d most likely put Bryant and Saban as almost equals- 1a and 1b, with Coach Bryant having the edge, there.

But, GOAT arguments are all subject to opinion.

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”Aw shucks" and the price of a ticket will get you a woodshedding by Duke nowadays.

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And, quite apparently (as has already been pointed out) it will get you 2 Natty’s, both of which were won over Alabama and Nick Saban including one that was a skull-dragging, woodshed beat down of one of our best teams ever.

Your (and others’) irrational hatred of one of our own is just kind of bizarre. And STUPID.

Like I said, you little tykes would have HATED Stallings and Bryant.

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And, quite apparently (as has already been pointed out) it will get you 2 Natty’s, both of which were won over Alabama and Nick Saban including one that was a skull-dragging, woodshed beat down of one of our best teams ever.

Your (and others’) irrational hatred of one of our own is just kind of bizarre. And STUPID.

Like I said, you little tykes would have HATED Stallings and Bryant.

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You equate not wanting Dabo back as hating. You are emotional, because you believe Dabo would be a good hire because of something he did in the past. Again, lifetime achievement award mentality. Backwards mentality, through and through.

This philosophy put Alabama in the wilderness for a long time post-Bryant. This philosophy is why, if adopted, would send the program back, and deservedly so.

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Like I said, you little tykes would have HATED Stallings and Bryant.

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You're not the only one who watched Alabama football under Stallings, just the only one apparently foolish enough to think so. Still not a place to which the program needs to return.

Just backwards.

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Saban requires a massive talent advantage. Coach Bryant, as they say, could take his players and beat yours and then take your players and beat his.

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How many players did Bryant sign?

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How many players did Bryant sign?

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The same number as everyone else could sign.

This isn’t the gotcha you think it is.

Coach Bryant played within the rules of his time as does Saban.

Coach Bryant had some advantages that Coach Saban does not have. Coach Saban has some advantages that Coach Bryant did not have.

Here’s my problem: The Fire.

It isn’t there. He doesn’t get fired up anymore on the sideline like he used to, at least not as bad. That fiery passion that used to burn through the cameras in a post-game speech doesn’t seem to be as lively. I think that lack of fire isn’t igniting the flame within the players and staff to be as dominant as we used to be. There will always be a spark as long as he’s there, but it’s up to him to either revisit who he used to be or ride into the sunset.

He has definitely earned the right to call it quits on his own time, and while I’m not going to say he needs to go, or that I want him to go, I do think something has to change, for him, personally. I have no doubt he loves it. Not a single doubt. I think he’s just getting older, has grandkids, and has softened up a little bit. I don’t have an issue with that. He’s given us all more than we could ever dream.

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Employers in every profession literally require a resume and look at your past accomplishments, education, skills, and achievements to see if you’d be a good hire.

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We're not talking about hiring for your corner store. We're talking about giving out contracts concerning heading a sports enterprise worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

Contract now is for performance now, next contract is for performance during that contract period. Tenet of professional sports. Past skills have little value, past achievements have little value. Skills deteriorate over time. What is being brought to the table now?

Teams-your employers- who base future potential on past performance and pay for it, often find themselves having overpaid for an over-the-hill asset who never achieves the former success.

Same applies to hiring a coach who won a championship in 2016 and 2018. Dabo was rewarded for winning. He was being paid handsomely by Clemson at the time. Since then, his major accomplishment was losing to LSU. Post-Lawrence, his program has continued to lose ground, all the while NIL and the transfer portal has not been fully embraced.

Notre Dame mashed Clemson last year. Duke was a harbinger of things to come. FSU will likely take out a decades-worth of frustration on Clemson this year. Clemson is going to find itself in a more competitive conference moving forward.

A coach running a program on that trajectory should not be hired to replace Saban. Especially not hoping for future results based on dated accomplishments.

Mannerisms and faith are not germane to the discussion.

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You poor, illiterate, retarded child.

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Trashy and classless, but predictable. Bammer through-and-through.

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He signed as many players as the rules allowed JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER frickING TEAM AT THE TIME.

In other words, everyone else was allowed to do the same, thus there was no competitive advantage. He didn’t win all those games and championships because he was allowed to sign more players than anyone else.

As we see, it’s- in fact- NOT the gotcha you thought it was.

Coach Bryant played within the rules of his time as does Saban. Both had/have advantages the other does not.

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No, you still haven't answered the question. We're comparing number of players each could sign during their respective coaching careers. We're not comparing each of them to their contemporaries. Just answer the question. Give me a number.