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Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:37 pm to
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Offense is likely better than #15. That's a lot of firepower we're capable of producing if everyone is healthy.




We've finished 33, 32, 16, 15 in Oats 4 seasons. I think we're going to be similarly streaky shooting with the roster we have this year. Perhaps we'll be able to supplement that more with length and scoring around the rim/short shots more than before.
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 2:40 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:38 pm to
Yea I only caught some of this but summer league is not some sort of X's and O's "team".

These guys meet each other in a hotel the night before game 1 and just kind of generally do some basic stuff.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 6:29 pm to
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Offense is likely better than #15.



I agree. This has a good chance to be our best offense under Oats yet.
Posted by Joka2kold
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 6:31 pm to
Have you heard anything about the schedule? Who are some teams being mentioned to play at Coleman this season? Birmingham?
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 6:38 pm to
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We've finished 33, 32, 16, 15 in Oats 4 seasons. I think we're going to be similarly streaky shooting with the roster we have this year



In adjusted offense yes, in actual points scored per game we were 3rd in the country in 2019 and 7th last year. I think we’ll be top 5 this year.
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 6:42 pm
Posted by dcrap123
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 6:55 pm to
Ibelieve so
Posted by Bamafan18
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 7:39 pm to
If BHam is announced, don’t expect a big “fun” opponent this year
Posted by Syd
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:21 pm to
What channel is the summer league games on?
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:42 pm to
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In adjusted offense yes, in actual points scored per game we were 3rd in the country in 2019 and 7th last year. I think we’ll be top 5 this year.


Right, but we've been discussing adjusted offensive rating.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:46 pm to
I know but I just prefer actual points scored to adjusted offense, why adjust for the tempo of slower teams ect? We play fast to score more points and scoring the most points wins games.


This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 8:52 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:54 pm to
Well, I guess, but then on the flip side we give up more points when we actually defend well because we defend against more possessions. I don't think we were the #110 team nationally in defense last year.

I think how many points you score/give up per possession is a pretty solid metric.
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 8:56 pm
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:04 pm to
Thats true but while say Virginia for example does play great defense, the fact they play so damn slow on offense really contributes to that in making them elite defensively and harder to play against.

I feel that same way about our offensive philosophy, and the speed we play at is a part of that. Adjusted O doesn't really take our speed into account. How efficient we still are even at the speed we play is pretty amazing though. We were 4th in adjusted tempo last year.



This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 9:07 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:06 pm to
I agree with that for sure.

Less possessions inherently gives you a better PPP number, which is why in the tournament teams that slow it down and play with limited possessions like UVA are always so much more likely to lose a game to a mid major. Just less margin for error.
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 9:08 pm
Posted by Panthers4life
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:45 pm to
Look... We want basketball to score between 70 to 100 a game. We want defense to stay below 80... We don't want a high scoring offense between both teams... Which we will see couple times this fall
Posted by AbSnopes
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:52 pm to
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What channel is the summer league games on?


ESPN and NBAtv. Some hames on NBAtv are replays. Some of our other players, like Clowney and JD will start playing this weekend.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:55 pm to
I appreciate the analytic side of basketball and love to do deep stat dives but in football for example when I want to know who had the best offense I look at who scored the most points per game, I have that same philosophy in all the sports I watch.
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 10:57 pm
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 11:05 pm to
Oats is an analytics guy. He’s won 4 of the last 6 championships awarded by the SEC. I’m going to respectfully go with the analytics on this one.
Posted by CCTider
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 11:08 pm to
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If BHam is announced, don’t expect a big “fun” opponent this year


Schedule is already hard as hell. Oats keeps trying to steal my attention away during football season. Bastard.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 11:11 pm to
I think we all assume our defense will take a step back this year and when Bediako left I thought the same thing but since we added Wague and Nelson I feel a lot better.

We’re gonna have a lot of length this year, more than last year.

Nelson 6’11
Stevenson 6’10
Wague 6’10
Pringle 6’9
Walters 6’9
Dioubate 6’7
Parker 6’7
Griffen 6’7
Cosby 6’5
Estrada 6’4
Wrightsell 6’3

Sears is really our only “short” player now that Quinerly left and he is pretty thick and a solid defender for his height.

This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 11:18 pm
Posted by Bama3714
Alabama
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 11:19 pm to
Never mind. You edited, so now I will, too.
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 11:20 pm
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