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Posted on 12/24/23 at 7:58 pm to Chadaristic
Posted on 12/24/23 at 7:58 pm to Chadaristic
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Pretty good laugh on this one.
I imagine Ludacris’ takes on Bama’s shooting %s and offensive efficiency would probably be….well, ludicrous (though I’m not a huge fan of his music, so I’m probably biased)
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 9:28 pm to BamaBravesPackers
Golly gee guys, I think the strength of our team is the problem rather than the weakness. It's obvious to basketball minds. We should focus on improving that 5% we can on offense rather than the 70% we could on defense.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 9:36 pm to BamaBravesPackers
Despite how argumentative he's being, I actually agree with Fever on the defense vs offense. Offense isn't the problem, because consistency will always be a problem on the offensive end, no matter how good your offense is. Bad shooting nights will happen regardless of how much you practice or how good the offensive system is that is implemented. This happens regularly to the best offensive teams and players the NBA has ever had. Defensive consistency is always easier to attain, and should be the focus going forward.
We have played one of the toughest non-conference schedules in the country and still have some of the best offensive numbers and efficiency stats you'll see on the offensive side of the ball. The games we are losing happen to be on the poor shooting nights because, well, we don't have the defense to make up for any bad shooting.
We have played one of the toughest non-conference schedules in the country and still have some of the best offensive numbers and efficiency stats you'll see on the offensive side of the ball. The games we are losing happen to be on the poor shooting nights because, well, we don't have the defense to make up for any bad shooting.
This post was edited on 12/24/23 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 12/24/23 at 10:28 pm to Robot Santa
Posted on 12/24/23 at 10:59 pm to CrimsonFever
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We had games vs good teams last year where we didnt shoot well and we still won.
We are a different team than last year.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 11:05 pm to bamagoat
Yeah our defense is a lot worse. Fouling less would help our defensive numbers a lot. Our offense is actually better, we were 20th in offense last year, this year we are first.
I do get your point that we haven’t shot that well vs the last 2 good teams we have played, but Arizona has a top 2 defense is a big reason why we shot bad vs them.
Vs Creighton both teams had an off game shooting, we fouled way too much and they won because they shot 16 more free throws than us.
I think we will get less fouls called against us in conference play personally, especially in the home games.
None of our losses are a reason to panic or think we need to change our entire offense. We’re top 10 in KenPom and the NET.
I do get your point that we haven’t shot that well vs the last 2 good teams we have played, but Arizona has a top 2 defense is a big reason why we shot bad vs them.
Vs Creighton both teams had an off game shooting, we fouled way too much and they won because they shot 16 more free throws than us.
I think we will get less fouls called against us in conference play personally, especially in the home games.
None of our losses are a reason to panic or think we need to change our entire offense. We’re top 10 in KenPom and the NET.
This post was edited on 12/24/23 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 12/24/23 at 11:41 pm to CrimsonFever
Here’s how we have fared in adjusted offense and defense the last few years and what seed we ended up being and where we got to in the tournament.
2021:
AdjOff - 30 AdjDef - 3 NCAAT 2 seed - Sweet 16
2022
AdjOff - 16 AdjDef - 92. NCAAT 6 seed - 2nd round
2023
AdjOff - 20 AdjDef - 3. NCAAT 1 seed - Sweet 16
2024
AdjOff - 1 AdjDef - 94
We seem to have the most in common with the 2022 team except our offense is better so far, hopefully we can get the defense better and foul less going forward. I still see no reason we can’t be a top 6 seed, we’re projected as a 6 seed right now.
2021:
AdjOff - 30 AdjDef - 3 NCAAT 2 seed - Sweet 16
2022
AdjOff - 16 AdjDef - 92. NCAAT 6 seed - 2nd round
2023
AdjOff - 20 AdjDef - 3. NCAAT 1 seed - Sweet 16
2024
AdjOff - 1 AdjDef - 94
We seem to have the most in common with the 2022 team except our offense is better so far, hopefully we can get the defense better and foul less going forward. I still see no reason we can’t be a top 6 seed, we’re projected as a 6 seed right now.
This post was edited on 12/24/23 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 12/24/23 at 11:42 pm to CrimsonFever
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Vs Creighton both teams had an off game shooting, we fouled way too much and they won because they shot 16 more free throws than us
Alabama - (FG 46.7%, 3PT 18.2%, FT 8-13), 10 AST
Creighton - (FG 55.8%, 3PT 33.3%, FT 21-29), 14 AST
Bama had a lot of fouls.
Even though we're a top 10 offensive team, we have a worse shooting percentage than our opponents.
Of 22 3-point attempts, only 4 were successful.
It is true that we lost because the defense was a problem, but the offense was also problematic.
This post was edited on 12/24/23 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 12/24/23 at 11:50 pm to bamagoat
We really didn't play particularly well in any aspect of that game and still scored 82 only lost by 3 in their home gym. I feel like we are the better team between the two even though we lost. I hope we get a rematch in the NCAAT.
I feel like Arizona and Purdue are better than us at this point but we hung with Purdue really well and they’re ranked #1 right now. I think we have a high ceiling.
I feel like Arizona and Purdue are better than us at this point but we hung with Purdue really well and they’re ranked #1 right now. I think we have a high ceiling.
This post was edited on 12/25/23 at 12:12 am
Posted on 12/24/23 at 11:57 pm to CrimsonFever
Clemson - (FG 53.3%, 3PT 52.4%, FT 10-15), AST 12, PF 22
Alabama - (FG 34.3%, 3PT 31.4%, FT 20-26), AST 12, PF 15
The Clemson fouled more than Bama.
We outscored our opponent on free throws by 10 points and still lost.
There is a difference of nearly 20% in shot success rate.
Even though we're a top 10 offensive team, we have a worse shooting percentage than our opponents.
It is true that they lost because the defense was a problem, but the offense was also a problem.
Alabama - (FG 34.3%, 3PT 31.4%, FT 20-26), AST 12, PF 15
The Clemson fouled more than Bama.
We outscored our opponent on free throws by 10 points and still lost.
There is a difference of nearly 20% in shot success rate.
Even though we're a top 10 offensive team, we have a worse shooting percentage than our opponents.
It is true that they lost because the defense was a problem, but the offense was also a problem.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 12:18 am to CrimsonFever
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None of our losses are a reason to panic or think we need to change our entire offense.
Maybe someone has said we need to make radical changes in our offense but I agree with you that we certainly don't.
However, the offensive improvement I'm hoping to see is a better answer for the "crunch time" 2nd half periods where the other team really turns up their defensive pressure and we tend to have some longish scoring droughts littered with turnovers.
I'm just going from memory but it seems like almost every loss has included giving up a big 2nd half run where no defensive stops was 1/2 the problem but the other half was coming up empty handed on far too many consecutive possessions where we desperately needed a basket.
I certainly don't think this something Oats doesn't see and isn't working on. It's just that his answer in previous seasons has been a player that can take his man off the dribble when the D really starts to lock us down better: JQ most notably but also JD, Herb, Bradley (especially in that huge win @ Houston.
I'd guess Estrada will mainly need to be that guy this year --though Griffin and Nelson are going to need to step up their complimentary driving and finishing or facilitating in these situations too -- but it's not really clicking in crunch time yet.
This post was edited on 12/25/23 at 12:21 am
Posted on 12/25/23 at 12:20 am to bamagoat
Indiana State is the 4th best team we’re played according to the net (they're 17th) and we shot 57% from three and scored 102 points.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 12:23 am to CrimsonFever
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Indiana State is the 4th best team we’re played according to the net (they're 17th) and we shot 57% from three and scored 102 points.
If we had the same schedule as Indiana State , we would never have lost and the defensive issues wouldn't even be mentioned.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 12:25 am to wm72
Alabama - (FG 46.4% , 3PT 30% , FT 76.9%) , PF 26
Ohio State - (FG 54% , 3PT 55.6% , FT 93.3%) , PF 24
Alabama - (FG 50% , 3PT 37.5% , FT 92.9%) , PF 16
Oregon - (FG 52.2% , 3PT 35% , FT 80%) , PF 24
Alabama - (FG 34.3% , 3PT 31.4% , FT 76.9%) , PF 15
Clemson - (FG 53.3% , 3PT 52.4% , FT 66.7%) , PF 22
Alabama - (FG 45.3% , 3PT 41.3% , FT 64.3%) , PF 24
Purdue - (FG 48.4% , 3PT 44.4% , FT 85.7%) , PF 15
Alabama - (FG 46.7% , 3PT 18.2% , FT 61.5%) , PF 25
Creighton - (FG 55.8% , 3PT 33.3% , FT 72.4%) , PF 16
Alabama - (FG 33.8% , 3PT 20% , FT 84.6%) , PF 25
Arizona - (FG 43.1% , 3PT 23.5% , FT 73%) , PF 20
Ohio State - (FG 54% , 3PT 55.6% , FT 93.3%) , PF 24
Alabama - (FG 50% , 3PT 37.5% , FT 92.9%) , PF 16
Oregon - (FG 52.2% , 3PT 35% , FT 80%) , PF 24
Alabama - (FG 34.3% , 3PT 31.4% , FT 76.9%) , PF 15
Clemson - (FG 53.3% , 3PT 52.4% , FT 66.7%) , PF 22
Alabama - (FG 45.3% , 3PT 41.3% , FT 64.3%) , PF 24
Purdue - (FG 48.4% , 3PT 44.4% , FT 85.7%) , PF 15
Alabama - (FG 46.7% , 3PT 18.2% , FT 61.5%) , PF 25
Creighton - (FG 55.8% , 3PT 33.3% , FT 72.4%) , PF 16
Alabama - (FG 33.8% , 3PT 20% , FT 84.6%) , PF 25
Arizona - (FG 43.1% , 3PT 23.5% , FT 73%) , PF 20
Posted on 12/25/23 at 12:27 am to wm72
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I'm just going from memory but it seems like almost every loss has included giving up a big 2nd half run where no defensive stops was 1/2 the problem but the other half was coming up empty handed on far too many consecutive possessions where we desperately needed a basket.
Yeah we have, thats really a main thing we need to fix. The worst example was the Arizona game.
I do think that going from Alabama to Toronto to play Purdue, back to Alabama, to Nebraska to play Creighton, then to Arizona to play them, in a week and a half could have caused us to be tired in the Arizona game and partly caused the 2nd half collapse, but I seem to be alone on here in thinking that.
This post was edited on 12/25/23 at 1:26 am
Posted on 12/25/23 at 12:35 am to bamagoat
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If we had the same schedule as Indiana State , we would never have lost and the defensive issues wouldn't even be mentioned
If we had the schedule of a lot of teams that would be the case, but we’ve played the 2nd toughest schedule in the country.
We don't have any bad losses, a lot of teams do. That’s why we are still top 10 in the NET which is the most important ranking.
Kentucky lost to #113 UNC Wilmington
Arkansas lost to #153 UNC Greensboro
Auburn lost to #95 App State
Teams lose in college basketball and in the losses they usually don't play particularly well. Uconn had a stretch last year where they lost 4 out of 5 games and still won the National Championship.
This post was edited on 12/25/23 at 12:45 am
Posted on 12/25/23 at 12:47 am to CrimsonFever
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Kentucky lost to #113 UNC Wilmington
Arkansas lost to #153 UNC Greensboro
Auburn lost to #95 App State
So which team did Indiana state upset that you mentioned?
As you mentioned, UNC Wilmington or UNC Greensboro beat top teams. Then I would include Indiana state if they beat another top team. So which major conference team did Indiana state beat?
This post was edited on 12/25/23 at 12:58 am
Posted on 12/25/23 at 6:24 am to bamagoat
Even though this thread has basically been insufferable the last however many pages, wish all of you a Merry Christmas
This post was edited on 12/25/23 at 9:58 am
Posted on 12/25/23 at 9:42 am to Allthatfades
Merry Christmas to all as well
Posted on 12/25/23 at 11:49 am to Joka2kold
Merry Christmas to all as well
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