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re: Tagovailoa now 7/1 odds to win Heisman

Posted on 1/26/18 at 8:53 am to
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
13196 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 8:53 am to
I hope this does not turn into a sequel to The Program
Posted by g650Tide
Georgia
Member since Feb 2013
961 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 11:14 am to
I missed my window. When it was 50/1 I wanted to throw a couple hundred at it. Just too good to pass up... crazy that he's up to 7/1 after 1 half.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 11:52 am to
Why Dan Enos hire could clarify Alabama's QB picture | al.com


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Dan Enos has never coached in the NFL.

But he's been coveted by men who did.

Jim Harbaugh asked Enos to join his Michigan staff after Arkansas terminated his contract in wake of Bret Bielema's firing in November.

Then, Nick Saban swiped Enos from the Wolverines -- bringing him in to supervise Alabama's quarterbacks and serve as an associate head coach for the Crimson Tide.

Enos was courted by two of college football's most storied programs because the offense he's directed at previous stops is rooted in pro concepts. He has relied heavily on "Ace" formations with multiple tight ends and has asked his quarterbacks to operate from under center with dropbacks that range from three to seven steps.

He's also shown he's predisposed toward play-action.

"The big thing each and every game is to be able to create balance," Enos said in 2016.

In the past, Enos has worked with skilled passers. At Central Michigan, he tutored the big-bodied Cooper Rush, who is now with the Dallas Cowboys. During his three-year run at Arkansas, he mentored the Allen brothers -- Brandon and Austin. Brandon was second in the nation in total QBR in 2015. Austin led the Southeastern Conference in passing yards the following season.

Saban's decision to hire Enos appears to send a clear signal about what kind of quarterback he wants after he's introduced some ambiguity on that topic in recent seasons with some of the decisions he's made. Most notable among them was his call to hand over the offense to Jalen Hurts, the athletically-gifted sophomore who has shown deficiencies as a passer and an abiding impatience to cycle through his reads.

Hurts' weaknesses were revealed to the nation in the national championship game earlier this month when he was benched in favor of Tua Tagovailoa, the intriguing freshman who led the comeback against Georgia that resulted in Alabama's 17th national title.

In the limited action he has seen, Tagovailoa has shown he can routinely deliver anticipatory throws in tight windows with the kind of precision that makes NFL scouts drool.

Yet it's his willingness to hang in the pocket and assess his options that may be his most impressive quality, especially because Tagovailoa has the mobility to be an escape artist if the play breaks down or he can't connect with the primary receiver.

It's the mark of a quarterback that sees himself as a passer rather than a runner.

That's the kind of player Saban seems to want and it's certainly the type of quarterback Enos has coached.

Not long after the 2017 national championship loss to Clemson last spring, Saban wondered aloud if Alabama had lost a bit of its identity by making Hurts the starter.

"We became almost more of a quarterback-run, spread team and that's not really what we want to be," he said in a radio interview. "We want to be more pro-style as we were, with a mix of a spread."

With Enos coming into the fold and Tagovailoa already on campus, Saban's vision could be realized.
Posted by saban n bear
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 1/26/18 at 10:48 pm to
quote:

He's going to be very good, but he's going to throw more picks than we're use to. Gunslingers do that. Prepare yourselves.


This season, Jalen Hurts had 17 TD/1 INT. But, he is a RB playing the QB position.

Tua wasn't really that much worse. He had 13 TD/2 INT, but he is actually a QB. QBs are supposed to throw the football every once in awhile.

Even though Tua might throw a few more INT's, I'd take Tua out there making plays and making D's plan for a run game and pass game all day long before I'd send Jalen out there to panic and run everytime.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 6:35 am to
It's standard Saban speak and it's typically spouted a good thing to keep the likely starter motivated on improvement and not get set in his ways. Saban isn't going to officially name a starting qb until he has to.

Also with how I feel our oline will shape up next year and the RB combo coupled with what seems to be an easy schedule, I don't know if Tua will be the full focus like some of the other qbs around the country
This post was edited on 1/27/18 at 6:39 am
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:24 am to
Saban won't have to "officially name" a starter but there will be a pretty good idea coming out of spring practice. One of the qbs is more likely to be getting more work with the 1s. You can bet, anyhow, that Tua Tagovailoa will have a good idea where he stands going into the fall. If Hurts projects as a starter, Tua won't be here. It's kind of crazy to even have this discussion because at about any other team in the nation, there wouldn't even be a chance that Jalen Hurts would start before Tagovailoa.
Posted by LukeSidewalker
Mobile, Alabama
Member since Dec 2012
8417 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:34 am to
I know for a absolute fact that Tua will start next season. So when it happens, can I tell you told you so? Please?
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
29961 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:38 am to
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This stemming from 1 half of football is amazing.




He played a lot more than one half last year. It was plain to see very quickly what he could do, both running and throwing.
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
29961 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 8:43 am to
AJ said he was probably too calm in the 9-6 L7U game. After that coach let him turn it back up a notch or two. The next L7U game it really showed too.
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:12 am to
quote:

I know for a absolute fact that Tua will start next season. So when it happens, can I tell you told you so? Please?


Gladly
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:14 am to
I think you are projecting your feelings on the situation and don't really see this as a concern. (Not meant to come off as an insult if that was how it sounded) If Tua is the best for the team he will play, I don't see why he wouldn't be the best qb for the team come next fall.

Personally, I would be equally surprised if Saban officially announced a starter in the spring or if Hurts beat out Tua. Tua, per all accounts, made great strides to improve on his weak points over the year and particularly in bowl season practice. Saban prepped for the NC eventuality in bowl practice - so it's not like he isn't fully aware of the strengths and limitations of both qbs. No reason to think he won't be the ready for the fall - and no reason to think Saban won't start him IMO
This post was edited on 1/27/18 at 9:15 am
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:25 am to
for the record, I didn't downvote you.

You insinuate Tua is better, most unbiased observers think he's better, I certainly think he's better, Daboll evidently thought he was better and wanted to play him sooner, but Saban didn't allow that. That Tagovailoa played very good in the title game, and all year for that matter, that the team responded so well to him, and that Saban has hired Enos, who coaches a pro style offense, gives me hope that Saban has finally come around to what everybody else thinks.
Posted by Bamainva40
Member since Nov 2017
1677 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 9:43 am to
I don't expect Saban to think like everyone else...That's what makes him who he is and why he's been successful. Tua has potential to be great....It's on him to reach that potential now
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:15 am to
quote:

I don't expect Saban to think like everyone else..


As to your comment that you don't expect Saban to think like everyone else, it turned out that Daboll's opinion about the quarterbacks was right and Saban's was wrong. Daboll actually looked like a good offensive coordinator when #13 came in the game. The offensive line and receivers all of a sudden got better too. Amazing, wasn't it. Saban is a great recruiter and organizer and "that's what makes him who he is and why he's been successful", but he's not so good at offensive coaching. Had we continued with Hurts, we'd surely have lost that game.

This post was edited on 1/27/18 at 10:21 am
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:32 am to
quote:

You insinuate Tua is better, most unbiased observers think he's better, I certainly think he's better, Daboll evidently thought he was better and wanted to play him sooner, but Saban didn't allow that. That Tagovailoa played very good in the title game, and all year for that matter, that the team responded so well to him, and that Saban has hired Enos, who coaches a pro style offense, gives me hope that Saban has finally come around to what everybody else thinks.



Tua is the better natural qb / passer and always has been. I felt or hoped that Tua would win the job in the offseason outside of Hurts really taking the next step this year. Hurts didn't do that, maybe he will improve some this year but I'm no expecting great strides.

I look at Tua as he started at A and since that time he has risen to B and I anticipate him to continue to improve to C by the time the year starts.

I'm still not sold on the idea that Tua should have been the starter last season as I don't think he was the best option for the team throughout the season (I don't want to do that whole thing as it has been discussed round and round through all points). I have a hard time deciding where where or at what point in the season on that point A - B line which I would have said, ok its time to start Tua. I think Saban was ready to put him in during the playoff game if it was necessary. Point being he has already come around to the idea to a large degree but went with the known commodity.

With the full offseason I anticipate Tua will be limiting the mental mistakes, turnovers, trying to do to much even moreso that he has thus far so no reason for me to think he won't be the starter next season.
This post was edited on 1/27/18 at 10:34 am
Posted by River_City_Tider
Javksonville
Member since Nov 2015
885 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:40 am to

See the most interesting man in the world rally Bama Tennis ...

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Posted by River_City_Tider
Javksonville
Member since Nov 2015
885 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:43 am to
Here, a profit of God explains Tua’s rise and Jalen’s role in preparing the way.

LINK
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 12:01 pm to
Amen, Hallelujah, and thanks for Tua. I am ready for the change!
Posted by River_City_Tider
Javksonville
Member since Nov 2015
885 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 12:09 pm to
Actually, if you make it to the second half, the part about “the process” is pretty compelling.
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7291 posts
Posted on 1/30/18 at 3:08 pm to
Wow I just clicked your link. There is a pastor actually preaching about Saban going with Tua over Hurts in his sermon. Unbelievable.
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