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re: So how does Saban and the staff fix it?

Posted on 9/10/23 at 11:36 am to
Posted by jryanw
Bham, AL
Member since Dec 2013
4735 posts
Posted on 9/10/23 at 11:36 am to
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Come on man, do you really expect anyone to believe the same fan base that loved Hurts and loved Tua and loved countless other players are all of a sudden anti Milroe because of race?


This is the last time I’m responding to this because some of you obviously just want to argue. I WAS RESPONDING TO A SPECIFIC POSTER WHO SAID HE PLAYED BAD IN THAT GAME. I never said the fanbase is racist.
Posted by Alfie Solomons
Alabama
Member since Aug 2020
1440 posts
Posted on 9/10/23 at 11:42 am to
Take your lumps. You’ve been hyping this dude for weeks. He sucks, just admit it.
Posted by Section 80
Member since Apr 2013
862 posts
Posted on 9/10/23 at 11:49 am to
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Rolando McClain



bring him back as MLB coach, bring back more former players to coach up these players because the current coaching staff can't


AJ, Barrett Jones, Ro, Upshaw/Hightower, Rashad Johnson/Ha-Ha


Shaun Dion Hamilton is working his way up the coaching ranks... why was he not Bama's LB coach over Pete Golding?
Posted by CrimsonTider98
Member since Nov 2017
782 posts
Posted on 9/10/23 at 11:51 am to
Fans should not be afraid to walk on eggshells when discussing the current state of the program. Nick Saban is the greatest football coach of all time, but the Nick Saban of 2023 is not a great football coach. This program has become undisciplined and player development has fallen off a cliff. Everyone blamed the coordinators last year, but the decline of the program starts at the top. "The process" just doesn't work anymore.
Posted by CrimsonCrusade
Member since Jan 2014
5540 posts
Posted on 9/10/23 at 11:52 am to
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You don’t understand RPO at all. It’s a one read offense where you send a guy deep on a flag, post or fly on every single play. Nick Marshall is a moron and he ran it just fine. Milroe would run the hell out of it because it’s an extremely easy offense for a very athletic QB. It also prevents the QB spy because you have to keep a safety over the top all game


There are multiple reads on the RPO. You read whether to run or pass, then have to read the defense on the pass. Milroe has demonstrated that he can't do more than one read per play.

ETA: Nick Marshall is Joe Montana compared to Milroe.
This post was edited on 9/10/23 at 11:55 am
Posted by Section 80
Member since Apr 2013
862 posts
Posted on 9/10/23 at 11:53 am to
Demeco Ryans is a NFL head coach... did Bama ever try to get him on staff at any point?


Saban went after Golding instead
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
18555 posts
Posted on 9/10/23 at 11:55 am to
Guys stop the racist shite. No one is racist for commenting on a players performance. FFS.
Posted by jryanw
Bham, AL
Member since Dec 2013
4735 posts
Posted on 9/10/23 at 11:57 am to
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then have to read the defense on the pass.


You haven’t watched very many RPO offensives have you? The only read most of the time is to hand it off or pull it out. Then, the athletic QB looks for his designed first option WR and either throws it out gets outside the pocket to either run or play backyard football. Go watch Johnny Manziel or Nick Marshall highlights. They weren’t making progressions and reading defenses.
Posted by jryanw
Bham, AL
Member since Dec 2013
4735 posts
Posted on 9/10/23 at 11:58 am to
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ETA: Nick Marshall is Joe Montana compared to Milroe.


The comment was already dumb and then you made it even dumber. Lol
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
5137 posts
Posted on 9/10/23 at 11:59 am to
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Fans should not be afraid to walk on eggshells when discussing the current state of the program. Nick Saban is the greatest football coach of all time, but the Nick Saban of 2023 is not a great football coach.


You don’t have to be afraid, but it won’t make you sound any less stupid. The team last night was an average QB away from winning a game against one of the best play callers in the past 5-10 years of the sport, and a team that is clearly one of the 10 best in the country (probably top 5). No one plays or coaches a perfect game every week, but the only mistake Saban made last night was who was under center. That game would have had a totally different feel with a competent QB. All time idiotic take to say Saban isn’t a good coach right now, unless it’s about his choice at QB.
Posted by jryanw
Bham, AL
Member since Dec 2013
4735 posts
Posted on 9/10/23 at 12:01 pm to
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Fans should not be afraid to walk on eggshells when discussing the current state of the program. Nick Saban is the greatest football coach of all time, but the Nick Saban of 2023 is not a great football coach. This program has become undisciplined and player development has fallen off a cliff. Everyone blamed the coordinators last year, but the decline of the program starts at the top. "The process" just doesn't work anymore.


I think you are mostly right. However, “The Process,” still works. Kirby is using it at UGA. Saban just doesn’t use the process anymore. The program hasn’t been the same ever since he commented about being tired of hiring new coordinators every 1-2 years. Ever since he decided to hire guys he thought he’d keep instead of hiring the best our player development has suffered.
Posted by CrimsonCrusade
Member since Jan 2014
5540 posts
Posted on 9/10/23 at 12:01 pm to
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Guys stop the racist shite. No one is racist for commenting on a players performance. FFS.


It's obvious trolling and should result in a ban. The team is almost entirely black every season, so there's a massive chance that any criticism of a player will happen to be of a black guy. No one is making that argument in good faith.
Posted by CrimsonCrusade
Member since Jan 2014
5540 posts
Posted on 9/10/23 at 12:03 pm to
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You haven’t watched very many RPO offensives have you? The only read most of the time is to hand it off or pull it out. Then, the athletic QB looks for his designed first option WR and either throws it out gets outside the pocket to either run or play backyard football.


Even in your butchered description of the RPO you describe multiple reads, which is my entire point.
Posted by CrimsonTider98
Member since Nov 2017
782 posts
Posted on 9/10/23 at 12:49 pm to
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I think you are mostly right. However, “The Process,” still works. Kirby is using it at UGA. Saban just doesn’t use the process anymore. The program hasn’t been the same ever since he commented about being tired of hiring new coordinators every 1-2 years. Ever since he decided to hire guys he thought he’d keep instead of hiring the best our player development has suffered.


This is a good point. The reason Saban has been able to sustain success for so long is because he has been willing and able to adjust to the rapid changes in the sport. Now he makes uninspired coordinator hires and tries to run a 2008-style offense in 2023. The game is passing him by. He can still catch up, but I think the biggest question is, does he really want to? At this age and this point in his career, that's the big Q.
Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
4689 posts
Posted on 9/10/23 at 12:50 pm to
So, everyone's answer is to bring back former players? like it's going to fix everything?
Posted by Section 80
Member since Apr 2013
862 posts
Posted on 9/10/23 at 1:02 pm to
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So, everyone's answer is to bring back former players? like it's going to fix everything?




Rees, Wiggins, Cox, Gillespie, Roach, Robinson, and Wolford are all former D-1 football players
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