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Posted on 1/14/17 at 9:58 am
Posted on 1/14/17 at 9:58 am
Coach Saban has made it clear that our future at qb is the duel threat guy. Hurts has 2 or 3 more years and our high profile recruitment of Tua confirms this. But is this the right direction? History says No. We won the title with McEleroy, 2 with McCarron and another with Coker. We fell short with Simms and Hurts. Maybe it's just because I prefer to watch a pro style offense that I feel we are more effective this way. Spare me the " it doesn't matter what you think post, Saban is in charge", I'm just trying to get some football talk going since there was so much criticism of Hurts passing. Any one else wishing we would go back to pro style?
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Posted on 1/14/17 at 10:08 am to BABAR
as a defensive guy NS knows the hardest team to prepare for has been the ones who had a dual threat QB that does the RPO's. Look at the teams that have beaten him and the type of QB. So I think this is the natural evolution. Many HS's are running this and the best Athlete is playing QB.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 10:08 am to BABAR
I would like a return to the impose our will running game combined with a QB that can run. I think a duel that guy would thrive like never seen before under those conditions. Defenses can only prepare for so much.
In other words:
1. Run first. Make it known we will hammer teams. Fast ball.
2. Stack the box? Fine pass to make them pay. Nothing there, QB's legs take what they can get. Change up.
3. In between situations? That is the defense's problem to plan for. Curve ball.
It could be devastating doing what Bama has always been known for and then having more than one go to pitch.
In other words:
1. Run first. Make it known we will hammer teams. Fast ball.
2. Stack the box? Fine pass to make them pay. Nothing there, QB's legs take what they can get. Change up.
3. In between situations? That is the defense's problem to plan for. Curve ball.
It could be devastating doing what Bama has always been known for and then having more than one go to pitch.
This post was edited on 1/14/17 at 10:10 am
Posted on 1/14/17 at 10:11 am to BABAR
I think Saban would love a pocket passer that is very mobile. But we aren't getting them for whatever reason. He may figure it's easier to coach up a mobile guy than to hope for a statue QB to all of the sudden get good feet. And a mobile QB can help offset some of your OL problems.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 10:16 am to BABAR
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We won the title with McElero
McElroy passed for 58 yards in the NC...
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McCarron
Was the best QB in Alabama history, arguably.
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and another with Coker.
Coker played great the last few games of the season, no doubt, but we won it all because of Henry.
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We fell short with Simms
1. Sims was a pro style QB/passer
2. Our defense gave up 42 points in the game where "we fell short."
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Hurts
Was a true freshman, and won SEC offensive player of the year. His passing stats were exceptional for a true freshman. Again, I don't think people truly realize how difficult it is for a true freshman to not only start in the SEC, but excel to the point of winning OPOTY. And passing is the absolute hardest part about that task. We don't even make it to the he playoffs without Hurts IMO.
As far as going back to the ground and pound offense, we were exactly that in 2015, and our rushing offense was the best it's ever been this past year. Saban isn't going to completely go away from pro style, we simply had a freshman QB so the coaches had to use the plays that would put him in the best positions to succeed.
This post was edited on 1/14/17 at 10:23 am
Posted on 1/14/17 at 10:48 am to Funky Tide 8
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Hurts
Was a true freshman, and won SEC offensive player of the year. His passing stats were exceptional for a true freshman. Again, I don't think people truly realize how difficult it is for a true freshman to not only start in the SEC, but excel to the point of winning OPOTY.
That opoty award was kind of ridiculous imo. Hurts won that thing because he was the most high profile player on the best team in the nation. That the SEC sucked this year was also a factor. Hurts was absolutely not the best quarterback in the conference. That would be Kelly. As much as I hate to admit it, even Dobbs was better, overall, than Hurts, because he can actually pass with some degree of consistency and can run when he needs to. I'm pretty we'd have had more than 2 drives of 5 plays or more, and won that game, with Dobbs at qb. With Kelly we'd probably have pounded them.
And those passing stats? That's been beaten to death and everybody knows that the majority of Hurts' passing yards were shovel passes on the jet sweeps and screen passes.
He completes just 30.7 percent of his passes while under pressure.
He completes just 33.3 percent of passes more than 20 yards down the field.
80 of his 227 completions were behind the line of scrimmage.
Frankly, it isn't just the lack of accuracy. He doesn't see the field well, missing open receivers. Perhaps he scared because he's too quick to bail and throw away the ball. He isn't good at checking down to other receivers if the primary receiver is covered. He isn't good at reading defenses before or after the snap. He's pretty bad about fumbling the ball. He isn't even a very good game manager. Too many penalties like delay of game.
I'm an Alabama fan and don't really have favorite players. I hope Hurts will make a 180 turnaround next season and be a great runner and passer, and manage the game better than he has, but there is no guarantee that will happen.
edit: Oh yeah, and those passing stats were before the Clemson game. It's worse now.
This post was edited on 1/14/17 at 10:53 am
Posted on 1/14/17 at 11:16 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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That opoty award was kind of ridiculous imo. Hurts won that thing because he was the most high profile player on the best team in the nation. That the SEC sucked this year was also a factor. Hurts was absolutely not the best quarterback in the conference. That would be Kelly
I'm not really disagreeing with any of this, but its not like they gave it to him because he sucked or was mediocre. My point was really that the fact that he was even in the conversation is impressive.
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I hate to admit it, even Dobbs was better, overall, than Hurts, because he can actually pass with some degree of consistency and can run when he needs to.
Even if that was true(its not) Dobbs is a senior that started for 3 years. No shite he is going to be a better passer.
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I'm pretty we'd have had more than 2 drives of 5 plays or more, and won that game, with Dobbs at qb.
lol okay.
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With Kelly we'd probably have pounded them.
Your point?
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And those passing stats? That's been beaten to death and everybody knows that the majority of Hurts' passing yards were shovel passes on the jet sweeps and screen passes.
Never said that he didn't struggle passing, but it is blown out of proportion to an extreme.
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He completes just 30.7 percent of his passes while under pressure. He completes just 33.3 percent of passes more than 20 yards down the field. 80 of his 227 completions were behind the line of scrimmage.
These kind of stats are hard to put in true context without comparison to the same stats of other QBs.
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Frankly, it isn't just the lack of accuracy. He doesn't see the field well, missing open receivers. Perhaps he scared because he's too quick to bail and throw away the ball. He isn't good at checking down to other receivers if the primary receiver is covered. He isn't good at reading defenses before or after the snap. He's pretty bad about fumbling the ball. He isn't even a very good game manager. Too many penalties like delay of game.
These sound like the expected troubles of an 18 year old true freshman. No one is calling him perfect, and no one should have expected perfection. HE WAS A TRUE FRESHMAN. You are showing an extreme lack of understanding on how hard it is for a true freshman QB to start in the NCAA. THERE IS A REASON THAT IT ALMOST NEVER HAPPENS.
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I hope Hurts will make a 180 turnaround next season and be a great runner and passer, and manage the game better than he has, but there is no guarantee that will happen.
There is no guarantee, but rational thought leads me to believe that a true freshman QB will improve significantly from year one to year two, as well as from year two to year three.
This post was edited on 1/14/17 at 11:21 am
Posted on 1/14/17 at 12:42 pm to BABAR
I wish we could get the screen game back. Not just bubble screens.
I also wish we would target the TE more, but now we don't have that game changing te, and I doubt we will get one seeing how little OJ was involved in the receiving game this season.
I also wish we would target the TE more, but now we don't have that game changing te, and I doubt we will get one seeing how little OJ was involved in the receiving game this season.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 1:52 pm to chattabama
Howard caught 45 passes this season. Considering we don't throw the ball much it's a decent amount for TE.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 2:16 pm to 1BamaRTR
Coker was in college for five years. Next qb commit should be a project with high ceiling.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 3:14 pm to 1BamaRTR
Meh. Howard should have still had more. Like all of Dieter's targets.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 5:36 pm to BABAR
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Any one else wishing we would go back to pro style?
This guy. I no this won't be popular here and I hope I am wrong but Saban may have made a bad decision. We could have won as many games last year with Bateman or Cornwell being a game manager and got by with a pro style running game. He has made a decision though and we will see where this "modern offense" leads us. Hurts will be even better next year so I feel good about it but I am old and stuck in my ways.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:38 pm to Commander Data
The sad fact is, our QB evals have been so bad that Hurts won the job by default. And his passing was never great but he actually regressed as the season wore on. This is Jalens watershed year. If he doesn't improve his game, Tua will surpass him. Not this year; he will have a learning curve this year. But next spring, Tua will be ready to take the reigns if Hurts can't do it.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 6:20 am to phil4bama
Hurts was the first Alabama QB to make it through the regular season without a loss since McElroys Jr year. He has a lot development to go but he should be fine.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 6:42 am to Gustave
If Jalen becomes a competent downfield passer we will name our score next year against 8 out of 12 opponents.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 6:45 am to Gustave
That has a lot to do with our defense.
If Blake Sims had this defense he would have blown out Ohio State and Oregon.
My biggest problem with Hurts right now is he can't even throw the check down. It was open. Just wouldn't throw it. Didn't see it. Panicked and ran.
If Blake Sims had this defense he would have blown out Ohio State and Oregon.
My biggest problem with Hurts right now is he can't even throw the check down. It was open. Just wouldn't throw it. Didn't see it. Panicked and ran.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 6:47 am to chattabama
Dieter had been a curse to the program. If that were Cam Sims, Diggs or even Robert Foster running that deep cruising route, they hold on to the ball for a first down.
What a huge disappointment. All year long. Spare me the block nonsense. He wasn't blocking shite when they were blowing up our WR screens.
What a huge disappointment. All year long. Spare me the block nonsense. He wasn't blocking shite when they were blowing up our WR screens.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:25 am to YStar
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Dieter had been a curse to the program.
You aren't very bright are you? Maybe you think our staff are just dumb, ignorant or something worse since they clearly viewed the guy as our number 3 receiver. Not trying to be an a-hole but damn dude.....
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:55 am to Commander Data
You're dumber than a box of rocks if you think our staff doesn't make mistakes.
I won't lie, we all were bamboozled by him. All those otherworldly catches/play and we thought he would bring that dynamic with him.
Instead he brought drop after drop... after drop.
I won't lie, we all were bamboozled by him. All those otherworldly catches/play and we thought he would bring that dynamic with him.
Instead he brought drop after drop... after drop.
This post was edited on 1/15/17 at 7:57 am
Posted on 1/15/17 at 9:10 am to YStar
Blake was almost benched twice that year because of turn overs. He was a big part of the loss to OSU.
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