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re: Protests blowing up in Downtown Birmingham

Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:32 am to
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:32 am to
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Isn't using the number of people actually killed a pretty poor way to judge this?


No.
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:43 am to
The issue is not whether the nub of the protests are peaceful, as much as it is about the massive level of violence and lawlessness and its genesis and how it will work itself out in the future.

The destructive behavior has been coordinated and planned from long ago. It worked itself out through our universities which taught post modern deconstructionism and critical theory. Neither of those ideologies have their basis in objective facts or reality, but rather in people’s feelings, often just their base urges - “if it feels good do it” and “if it is good for me then it is good.”

The later ideology (critical theory) is particularly destructive In that it takes an aggressive stance against rationality. It is straight up indoctrination, which tells its adherents that one must not question the ideology, in fact it is evil to question their ideology. So they use terms to shut-down any questions or objections as well as to dull their own senseless minds - scare words, like “homophobic”, “racism”, “systemic racism,” “white privilege”, “mansplaining”. Question their premises and you are immediately labeled with one of their scarlet letters and shouted down. Look what happened many times with speakers on college campuses.

The Millennials, bless their hearts, are just one big ball of the multiple indoctrination campaigns they’ve undergone and feelings and emotions. An astounding number of them are completely unable to think. Viewing themselves as “woke” they consciously dull themselves to facts and reality, self-virtuously vomiting out the shut down terms they’ve been programmed with since grade school and the cultural Marxism ideology they’ve been duped into. A few of have the courage to stand up against this stuff, but it’s like shouting at people with fingers in their ears.

The public schools, the complicit media, as well as the entertainment industry (Ben Shapiro has an early book with direct quotes from entertainment executives stating how they purposefully inject radical leftist ideologies into their productions while silencing and freezing out other views) and the institutions of higher learning, the democrat party, and quite possibly our spy agencies (see James Clappers comments in support of the riots) and FBI brass (Where have they been while radical elements have been formulating in America? Oh, yeah, they were spying on and trying to unseat a duly elected president with a 100% bogus accusation) have teamed with radical leftists to destabilize the minds and will of Americans and open us up to willingly be overthrown.

These groups are looting valuables, which they will use to further fund their activities. We may disperse these dudes in a few days, but they will be right back at the next opportunity. They are feeling out our weaknesses and carrying out reconnaissance activities Right now. Antifa and other communist radical cells are planning a full overthrow of America. They WILL eventually come to your house in the suburbs if we don’t take a war-like stance with them. This is our real concern.
Posted by bamameister
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Member since May 2016
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:58 am to
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6 year old white kid sitting in the back seat of his father’s truck getting shot to pieces good enough? Here you go.

Sorry it isn’t some old dude instead.





So the police felt compelled to shoot a white dude and not knowing there was a small child in the truck accidentally shot and killed the child. A tragedy and some might conclude extremely poor judgment. Not the police at their finest regardless. But did those policemen with premeditated malice and intent mean to specifically kill that child?

Cause I saw 4 white policemen who meant to kill George Floyd over a simple "he said, he said" of a supposed 20 dollar counterfeit bill. Still, with no conclusive evidence that there had actually been a crime committed, these 4 white policemen proceed to execute George Floyd with premeditated malice and intent. 9 minutes pressing your knee on someone's neck as the victim begs for air is a long time to rethink your position. Given, you know, that the executioners still doesn't know a crime has been actually committed.

That is the police tragedy we are watching play out before us that has sparked this country, and created all this indignation with both black and WHITE people from east to west and from north to south, unlike any protest I've seen in my lifetime.
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
6587 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:04 am to
If those two had been black the narrative would have been completely different and we all know that. This is my problem. We aren’t working out problem s with true fairness and thoughtfulness, but instead via emotions and feeling and “facts” that don’t mesh with reality. The killers of George Floyd deserve everything that they themselves are going to get. We don’t deserve false narratives to rationalize rioting.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
83909 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:07 am to
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Cause I saw 4 white policemen who meant to kill George Floyd over a simple "he said, he said" of a supposed 20 dollar counterfeit bill. 


Um, the four cops weren't all white.
This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 11:08 am
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:13 am to
As an American, you have the right to rally a protest when police kill a white person. It's curious that never happens, but it is brought up whenever black people organize to protest against the treatment they receive from law enforcement.
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
6587 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:18 am to
Absolutely we have the right to protest, and I have no problem with that.

I have a problem with self-serving race-baiters who keep a whole race in chains of poverty and misery with their “leadership” whilst they pad their pockets and live in compounds.

I also have a serious problem with people seeking the violent overthrow of our nation on specious grounds.

Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:28 am to
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I have a problem with self-serving race-baiters who keep a whole race in chains of poverty and misery with their “leadership” whilst they pad their pockets and live in compounds.




I too despise the Republican party for doing this.
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
6587 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:35 am to
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I too despise the Republican party for doing this.


Are you dumb enough to believe this, or are you just hoping that we are?
Posted by bamameister
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Member since May 2016
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:37 am to
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If those two had been black the narrative would have been completely different and we all know that. This is my problem. We aren’t working out problem s with true fairness and thoughtfulness, but instead via emotions and feeling and “facts” that don’t mesh with reality. The killers of George Floyd deserve everything that they themselves are going to get. We don’t deserve false narratives to rationalize rioting.




So you are still under the delusion that this is a single act of disobedience from the police department? If it was, this situation would be extremely unfair in its scope and anger. But's it's the straw on the camel that has caused this stuff to come to a screeching halt. Right now Floyd is the flag to rally around. The cause is that people of all colors are feeling oppressed and downtrodden in this country when it comes to equality. Unless you happen to one of the many who feel particularly oppressed for some reason, it's foolish to keep dismissing it.

And I seriously doubt that when you read the official police report and cause of death by these policemen that you read anything that hasn't been specifically spoken here in all it's graphic glory. Your race-baiting accusations are more accurately simply someone else's rebuttal of the facts.
Posted by IB4bama
Pelham
Member since Oct 2017
2241 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:45 am to
I know of 3 white kids that got pulled over last night on 280 for being out after curfew. They got them out of their car and patted them down. Obviously blacks are being told they are mistreated, so they believe it. Facts dont show they are treated unfairly by police. These police in Hoover or Vestavia dont cut anyone any slack if they pull you over. Its best to just shut up and do what they ask you to do. A Vestavia policeman said they are trained to stay away from the neck area, so he wasnt sure how that happened in Minn. Maybe they are poorly trained. Thats on the police chief.
Posted by VirgilCaine
Orchard Park
Member since Dec 2010
2883 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:48 am to
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Absolutely we have the right to protest, and I have no problem with that.



Interesting that people want to conflate the protests (overwhelmingly supported by all people) and the destructive rioting?
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
6587 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:53 am to
I think that you should do more research on this myth of systemic injustices. Check out what Larry Elder had to say in his interview with Dave Rubin.

Do injustices happen? Absolutely! Should we deal with injustices and seek to right them and to fight against injustice? Absolutely! Should we violate the 9th Commandment by accepting scandalous stories of others and of propagating them, both of which are forbidden? No!

Slandering the police or white males and such is injustice in itself.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:02 pm to
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Do injustices happen? Absolutely! Should we deal with injustices and seek to right them and to fight against injustice? Absolutely! Should we violate the 9th Commandment by accepting scandalous stories of others and of propagating them, both of which are forbidden? No!


That's what these folks are doing before your very eyes. They are doing something about it. Not sure though how "not coveting" works into your narrative. Maybe you meant #8 on the hit list?

You do realize if these policemen were not in violation of the 5th commandment we wouldn't be having this conversation?
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
6587 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:11 pm to
The 9th commandment forbids lying, including slander or accepting a slanderous report about another. The 10th commandment deals with coveting.

The police killing someone unjustly is indefensible. It happens vastly more often to white people. So, I have a vested interest in the matter of police brutality. However, stoking anger through lies is not protest. It’s malfeasance by the leaders and many of the participants. Some people are just ignorant and go along.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:18 pm to
quote:

stoking anger through lies



You're attempting to do the same thing.

quote:

The police killing someone unjustly is indefensible. It happens vastly more often to white people.



In totals it does, but in proportions the killing of blacks and Hispanics by police dwarf the killing of white people.

Since 2015, there have been 30 blacks per million blacks in this country killed by police. There have been 22 Hispanics per million Hispanics in this country killed by police. THere have been 12 white people per million white people killed by police. That's over double, per million. So no, it's not a myth and you should look in the mirror when you accuse people of lying.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:34 pm to
Since violent criminal acts lead to violent confrontations with police, what are the proportions of violent crimes committed per million for the white, hispanic and black segments of the U.S. population?
This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 1:27 pm
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
13236 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:35 pm to
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And when someone like Philando Castile, Walter Scott, or Daniel Shaver is killed by the police for absolutely no reason at all, just like this officer was killed by a couple of shitbag meth heads for absolutely no reason at all, that should ruin your day too, but I seriously doubt it does, which is the problem.


There were protests and wall-to-wall media coverage when all of those people died.

This idea that everyone should go vomit or cry every time someone dies is ridiculous. Seemingly every business and celebrity has tweeted something in support of blacks following this.

Something like 98% of Americans supported prosecuting the officer that killed Floyd. That’s maybe the most lopsided poll I’ve ever seen.

Clearly, America is listening. Now the question should be what’s the policy these protestors want us to implement?
Posted by bamameister
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Member since May 2016
17202 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:37 pm to
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The 9th commandment forbids lying, including slander or accepting a slanderous report about another. The 10th commandment deals with coveting.


Sorry dude. The catholic edition I was staring at likes to put coveting twice. It doesn't make me catholic just happened to be looking at what they had.

There is of course the remaining violation of #5 that is the elephant in the room.

quote:

The police killing someone unjustly is indefensible. It happens vastly more often to white people. So, I have a vested interest in the matter of police brutality. However, stoking anger through lies is not protest. It’s malfeasance by the leaders and many of the participants. Some people are just ignorant and go along.




Someone wanted me to read an article about a 6-year-old white boy that had been accidentally killed by police. The article was trying to make your point the hard way as well. The article made a point you should consider seriously.


¦ In addition, the current movement against police brutality has been primarily focused on the disproportionate number of African-Americans who have been shot and killed by the police. An analysis published this year by The Washington Post found that while more whites are killed by the police over all, police shootings were up in the first part of 2016 and black Americans were 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot by officers.

“They are disproportionately likely to attract police attention, and when they do, they are more likely to have force used on them. And so it is just way more likely that something horrible is going to go wrong,” David A. Harris, a professor, and expert in police accountability at the University of Pittsburgh School of Law said in a telephone interview on Thursday.

In short, African Americans make up 12% of the population. 14% if you are counting bi-racial. So Yeah white people should be leading the pack statistically. But it doesn't explain the rest of this mess, does it?
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 12:42 pm to
Since criminal acts lead to confrontations with police, what are the proportions of crimes committed per million for the white, hispanic and black segments of the U.S. population?
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