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re: Peter Golding Interview
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:39 am to OldPete
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:39 am to OldPete
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He did 'evolve' on defense...he started recruiting 'quick-twitch' and speed guys on defense to respond to the spread before Kirby ever left...maybe you can argue he needs to evolve more but he did adapt his defense to the spread. The rules are so slanted towards offenses nowadays though that I'm not sure if defenses will be able to catch up without a rule change...
He did start recruiting smaller, faster guys on defense. You're right about that. I'd argue he had no choice, as Mount Cody type guys are worthless against the spread. That being said, I'm talking about evolving schematically and philosophically on defense--not simply recruiting guys who are 20 lbs lighter. Getting rid of the insanely complex system and "multiples" packages that bogs down our defense in an era of high flying offense. How many 12 men on the field penalties did we get this year trying to run different packages on and off the field? It limits how effective young talent can be. Heck, we have guys like Barmore who have more talent than anyone in that position room, and he can't find his way onto the field because he still doesn't understand his assignments. Sorry, that's too complex. Same thing for our young LB's. They should be reading and reacting not thinking so much. Tons of other examples of this through the years. Heck, Q. Williams couldn't even get on the field his 1st year at Bama and didn't start until his 3rd year. Nuts. Things need to be streamlined and simplified in a MASSIVE way. We need some fresh ideas, fresh new blitz packages, coverage schemes, etc. People know Saban's defense inside and out now. I'm sure there are entire playbooks out there on how to beat his scheme. I'm just saying it's time for some newness, fresh ideas and schemes. Look at Aranda at LSU, Venables at Clemson and others. Their defenses are great, they play young guys, they adapt quickly in game, and neither of them recruit at the level we have defensively. We need some evolution on defense. I stand by that.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 10:42 am
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:57 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Oh and the offenses that Ro played against while at Bama aren't on the same level as those today. I believe the cow college was the only full HUNH team that 2009 team had to play and that was a full struggle.
Our trouble with Auburn was not the HUNH in '09; they jumped on us quick with a quick misdirection/reverse long TD run on the fourth play of the game and then immediately surprised us, recovering an onside kick and driving sixty yards in 6 minutes (12 plays) in a more traditional style. The only other TD allowed was a long pass where our CB bit on a pump fake so trickery affected Bama that game much more than the HUNH. Our offense (and Auburn's defense) was more the issue that game...
We also played several spread option teams aside from Auburn in '09 (Florida w/Tebow, Texas, Miss State, & North Texas). We played a lot of good offenses that year, 7 in the top 50 in total offense (Florida #6, Auburn #16, Arkansas #19, Texas #28, North Texas #36, Ole Miss #41, Virginia Tech #49).
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:12 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Not all were 1st round but that 2016 defense was talented and they couldn't stop Clemson.
They held Clemson to 7 points and 8 punts through 2.5 quarters. Clemson only started moving the ball once the defense started becoming visibly tired. All because the offense kept going 3 and out with 1 min or less drives.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:28 am to tider04
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Look at Aranda at LSU, Venables at Clemson and others. Their defenses are great, they play young guys, they adapt quickly in game, and neither of them recruit at the level we have defensively.
I think that Venables is the best defensive mind in the game...but even so, his D gave up over 500+ to Ohio State. We also had a bunch of total yards last year against him, we just couldn't get it in the end zone (I think Venables is probably even more brilliant in the red zone)...
As for Aranda, this has probably been his worst defense in a while (Bama is rated 10+ spots higher in total defense). LSU gave up 600+ total yards to Ole Miss, 500+ to both Bama and Texas, and 450+ to Florida. When's the last time a defense under Saban gave up that many yards in any 4 games over one season? There'd be an uproar if a Bama D did that and fans would be calling for the DC's head (much like we're doing now)...
I would also argue that on defense, both LSU and Clemson are now pretty much as equally talented as we are. Last year, Clemson had 4 top tier DL; we had one. LSU's secondary has just about always been at least as talented as we are, if not more so...
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We need some evolution on defense. I stand by that.
Not really arguing that...but when guys that are considered top DCs making $2M+ a season are giving up multiple 500+ yard games in a season, then I don't know what the answer is. I can't tell you when the last time the NCAA made a rule change to favor the defense, but I the think the time is past due...but we won't see it happen because most folk love to see offense...
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:44 am to tider04
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He did start recruiting smaller, faster guys on defense. You're right about that. I'd argue he had no choice, as Mount Cody type guys are worthless against the spread. That being said, I'm talking about evolving schematically and philosophically on defense--not simply recruiting guys who are 20 lbs lighter. Getting rid of the insanely complex system and "multiples" packages that bogs down our defense in an era of high flying offense. How many 12 men on the field penalties did we get this year trying to run different packages on and off the field? It limits how effective young talent can be. Heck, we have guys like Barmore who have more talent than anyone in that position room, and he can't find his way onto the field because he still doesn't understand his assignments. Sorry, that's too complex. Same thing for our young LB's. They should be reading and reacting not thinking so much. Tons of other examples of this through the years. Heck, Q. Williams couldn't even get on the field his 1st year at Bama and didn't start until his 3rd year. Nuts. Things need to be streamlined and simplified in a MASSIVE way. We need some fresh ideas, fresh new blitz packages, coverage schemes, etc. People know Saban's defense inside and out now. I'm sure there are entire playbooks out there on how to beat his scheme. I'm just saying it's time for some newness, fresh ideas and schemes. Look at Aranda at LSU, Venables at Clemson and others. Their defenses are great, they play young guys, they adapt quickly in game, and neither of them recruit at the level we have defensively. We need some evolution on defense. I stand by that.
Amen and amen!!!
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:54 am to OldPete
Giving up yards is just part of the deal in today's game. The days of holding good teams to under 300 yards of total offense are gone. Total yards is no longer the measure of great defense, as it once was. Look at points given up against elite teams. Venables is happy to give you yards between the 20's and force you to kick FG's. He's a master at that. They beat OSU doing that and blew us out last year doing that. Being great in the redzone, aggressive and unpredictable with blitz packages, disguising coverages, getting turnovers, those are the marks of great defenses in this new era of football. And these guys don't need 3 years to get players ready in these schemes. They aren't complex. They are simple and effective. LSU has the best corner in the country starting as a true freshman. Time for Saban to evolve defensively. Make things simple, get new blitz packages and coverage schemes, streamline and play your most talented players, not your oldest ones simply because they understand an unnecessarily complex system.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:01 pm to tider04
Barrett Jones was talking about the Clemson defense this morning. He said Clemson doesnt have the D line that can pressure the defense like last yr. He said they didnt have to blitz last year and get pressure, but this year they cant affect the QB with only the D line. Jones said the Brent Venables will have some sleepless nights the next week, because they had trouble with Ohio St but dealing with Burrow and the lsu recievers is going to be a big problem for Venables. Cole Cublic is saying the same thing. They cant stop lsu. They have some players that can do some things to help, but they wont be able to stop that offense.
Bottom line is you have to have the Jimmys and the Joes to have a great defense, and even that wont stop an elite offense that is loaded like lsu has. We are living in a new day and a new time. Receivers and quarterbacks are far more developed than they were even 10 years ago. It goes down to high school where you see all the passing. Back in the past, a receiver was nothing but a blocker. Now they throw the ball all over the place. Great athletes want to play receiver now in high school because they know they can be a star and not just a blocker. And all the rule changes recently have done nothing but help the offense. You cant knock the crap out of an offensive player without fear of getting ejected.
Bottom line is you have to have the Jimmys and the Joes to have a great defense, and even that wont stop an elite offense that is loaded like lsu has. We are living in a new day and a new time. Receivers and quarterbacks are far more developed than they were even 10 years ago. It goes down to high school where you see all the passing. Back in the past, a receiver was nothing but a blocker. Now they throw the ball all over the place. Great athletes want to play receiver now in high school because they know they can be a star and not just a blocker. And all the rule changes recently have done nothing but help the offense. You cant knock the crap out of an offensive player without fear of getting ejected.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:07 pm to IB4bama
Barrett Jones is wrong about Venables. Even with that DL last year, they blitzed the hell out of us. Corner blitzes, safety blitzes, a LB almost every play. That's been his MO for some time, actually. Aranda is the same. Watch his defense, guys moving around all over the place before the snap, can't tell who's coming, and then he sends guys from all over the field. It's impressive. They'll give you yards, but they are gonna punish you in the process, get some sacks, hit your QB over and over, and get some turnovers. And they don't have 30 "packages" like old-school NFL ball. They just have athletic players all over the field who can play in any situation.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:35 pm to tider04
I kind of agree with you. Saban is probably the best college coach ever but I'm not sure his type defense works anymore within these rules and with the spread offenses. We've had trouble with spread offenses for years now. It's not just the great qbs that score on us now.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:10 pm to tider04
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LSU has the best corner in the country starting as a true freshman.
Stingley's good and will only get better (I think Okudah from OSU is the best corner in the country) but I don't think he's the best corner on LSU's team (I'd take Fulton over him). Alabama was the by far the best pass offense LSU has faced this season and Devonta Smith absolutely abused Stingley when we played...
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:46 pm to OldPete
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Stingley's good and will only get better (I think Okudah from OSU is the best corner in the country) but I don't think he's the best corner on LSU's team (I'd take Fulton over him). Alabama was the by far the best pass offense LSU has faced this season and Devonta Smith absolutely abused Stingley when we played...
You're missing the forest for the trees, man. You're arguing minutia instead of the point. I don't really care if Stingley is the best or second best corner in the country. Point is, these other DC's throw true freshmen with elite talent on the field, and in their simplied schemes, these newbies don't look lost. At all. Our new guys look like the don't know which way is up and down. And our young defensive guys who are uber talented tend to sit the bench for 2-3 years because they don't know the scheme yet. It's nuts and doesn't make sense in 2019. We need a philosophical evolution on defense. Saban would be wise to hire an Aranda type DC, pay him serious bank, and let him run HIS scheme for awhile. If it doesn't work out, he can always go hire another puppet to run his old-NFL scheme, but I don't think he'd go back if he tried it. The genius of Bryant and other greats was their ability to trash their stuff once it became outdated and radically adapt. Saban has done that on offense, but he has yet to do it on defense and it needs to happen if he hopes to win another title(s) before he retires.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 2:23 pm to tider04
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You're missing the forest for the trees, man. Point is, these other DC's throw true freshmen with elite talent on the field, and in their simplied schemes, these newbies don't look lost.
And you're comparing apples to oranges; LSU and Clemson both have 1 true freshman starter on defense, we now have at least 4. It's much easier to 'throw' true freshmen with elite talent on the field when it's only 1 player surrounded by a lot of experience (LSU's other starters in the secondary are two Juniors and a senior while Clemson has 3 Juniors, a Senior, and 3 Grad students as defensive starters). In past years, we've been able to throw out true freshmen starters that weren't lost but we weren't doing it with three or four at the same time...
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Saban would be wise to hire an Aranda type DC
As I stated earlier, Aranda's 'simplified schemes' this year have allowed a 600+ yard game and a couple of 500+ yard games. LSU is currently at #29 in total defense, 13 spots behind us; they're #55 in pass defense compared to #9 for Bama. Do you seriously think our fanbase would not be calling for his head if he repeated that here?
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:05 pm to OldPete
Everyone has their own opinions of how the defense should be adjusted because of the issues at the Alabama the last two years.
Glenn Schumann- Why do everyone want him? Because he know Alabama system or he was the brain behind the defense ? If so, why no other teams are going after him ? WHy didn't Saban go after him last year or why didn't Pruitt go get him?
I don't think he will come to Alabama unless it's a full DC spot. Golding will be fine, he just need someone to keep him focused and he needs a established coach to guide him, kind like Brady needed that Ensingmer dude to guide him....
I don't mind Golding staying another year, but he needs a established coach to help him developing the players.
Glenn Schumann- Why do everyone want him? Because he know Alabama system or he was the brain behind the defense ? If so, why no other teams are going after him ? WHy didn't Saban go after him last year or why didn't Pruitt go get him?
I don't think he will come to Alabama unless it's a full DC spot. Golding will be fine, he just need someone to keep him focused and he needs a established coach to guide him, kind like Brady needed that Ensingmer dude to guide him....
I don't mind Golding staying another year, but he needs a established coach to help him developing the players.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:36 pm to Panthers4life
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Everyone has their own opinions of how the defense should be adjusted because of the issues at the Alabama the last two years.
It's been adjusted before and adjustments will likely continue.
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Glenn Schumann - Why do everyone want him? Because he know Alabama system or he was the brain behind the defense? If so, why no other teams are going after him ? WHy didn't Saban go after him last year or why didn't Pruitt go get him?
Not everyone is clamoring for Saban to hire him as DC/ILBs coach. He knows the defense well and is doing a good job as CoDC/ILB coach at GA. Maybe Saban and Pruitt have reached out to Schumann before, but not for their DC position.
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I don't think he will come to Alabama unless it's a full DC spot.
I tend to agree on that.
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Golding will be fine, he just need someone to keep him focused and he needs a established coach to guide him, kind like Brady needed that Ensingmer dude to guide him.... I don't mind Golding staying another year, but he needs a established coach to help him developing the players.
Golding is distracted -- family related (maybe job demands related) -- so he might welcome less responsibility. And Saban's options might be limited. Perhaps he'll make changes such as Charles Kelly becoming DC/ILB or CoDC/ILB coach and play caller with Golding moving to Kelly's current job. We'll see.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:41 pm to TidalSurge1
Kelly is already co dc.....
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:48 pm to Panthers4life
I know.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:04 pm to tider04
All I know is we didn’t hit Trevor Lawrence ONCE last year, and it seems like our blitzes rarely get home with Golding.
I’m sick of this shite. Pruitts defenses always seemed simple and aggressive - very effective.
We don’t need a whiteboard genius. We need a blitz-happy guy who runs a simple defense and lets our superior athletes eat. We’re in a nothing-to-lose era of defensive football. Why not let the dogs loose?
If we’re gonna give up 400+ yards a game, at least get some good licks on the QB, and be a hard-hitting defense that nobody wants to face
I’m sick of this shite. Pruitts defenses always seemed simple and aggressive - very effective.
We don’t need a whiteboard genius. We need a blitz-happy guy who runs a simple defense and lets our superior athletes eat. We’re in a nothing-to-lose era of defensive football. Why not let the dogs loose?
If we’re gonna give up 400+ yards a game, at least get some good licks on the QB, and be a hard-hitting defense that nobody wants to face
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:17 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Not only did they keep making mistakes but the effort was weak re tackling all year.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:22 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Things change over an entire season.
Bro you were still saying he was a tireless worker the week of the Iron bowl.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 5:32 pm to Dubosed
I believe I referenced the off season not made the post in the off season.
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