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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:38 am to TideSaint
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:38 am to TideSaint
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Dixon Hayes
@fox6dixonhayes
Drive-thru testing underway at 12th Street Baptist Church in Rainbow City; they have more tests than expected so they’ll see drive-ups without a referral as long as they meet the criteria (symptoms, high risk group)
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:40 am to TideSaint
quote:When did they call it a "miracle treatment"?
I guess you missed the press conferences last week coming out of New York?
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Well I haven't seen any Governors ban physicians from prescribing them yet,
The frick are you talking about? The issue is that they are running out of available ventilators. They need more, and states have been having to bid against each other for new ones.Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:41 am to TideSaint
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And?
Over 30% of the people who were on a ventilator died in the study. Almost 1,600 people.
That sound like a "miracle treatment" to you? Watching the news would make one think a ventilator is a God send for these people. In reality, that's not true.
It's political grandstanding.
Just a few points. First, that study is 22 years old. A LOT has changed in that time span.
Second, that 50% death rate was in patients suffering from ARDS which prior to COVID was seen most commonly in people that another very severe condition like sepsis. They were circulating the drain before the vent even came into play.
It just isn't comparable to what's happening right now.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:42 am to TideSaint
Everyone is currently focused on what is happening in the moment and I completely understand that but now studies from those so called recovering that were in the hospital are showing possible long term lung damage. Estimates of up to 30% less lung capacity due to the coronavirus.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:44 am to paperwasp
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Louis Stedman-Bryce
@Lstedmanbryce
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been warned by scientific advisers that China's officially declared deaths from COVID-19 could be as high as 132,000. The number of total infections could be as high as 3,258,00.
Downing Street is certain the Chinese regime is lying.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 11:53 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:48 am to paperwasp
Now those numbers make a little more sense for China
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:49 am to pvilleguru
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The frick are you talking about?
You said it was "the best available" treatment for them.
I said you must be on to something because no Governors are banning the use of them, unlike some other treatment.
But it appears at least one of the Governors has realized their miscalculation in that particular situation.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:49 am to paperwasp
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Downing Street is certain the Chinese regime is lying.
Like they are on every day that ends in Y.
Richard Nixon's biggest crime wasn't Watergate. It was normalizing relations with Beijing.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:50 am to TideWarrior
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Everyone is currently focused on what is happening in the moment and I completely understand that but now studies from those so called recovering that were in the hospital are showing possible long term lung damage. Estimates of up to 30% less lung capacity due to the coronavirus.
It seems to me that everyone who tests positive who can safely take Hydroxychloroquine should be treated with it, promptly.
FDA authorizes widespread use of unproven drugs to treat coronavirus, saying possible benefit outweighs risk (Washington Post)
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:51 am to TidalSurge1
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It seems to me that everyone who tests positive who can safely take Hydroxychloroquine should be treated with it.
I pray you don't live in a few certain states.
ETA: I know where you live and you're good.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 11:52 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:52 am to paperwasp
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Costco, Home Depot limiting customers allowed in stores
At least two large retailers have announced policy changes related to the number of customers permitted in stores at one time to ensure social distancing.
Effective Friday, Costco will allow no more than two people to enter its stores with each membership card.
Home Depot has also announced a new policy that will limit the number of customers inside at once.
Walmart announced earlier this week that its associates would be asked basic health questions before shifts and have their temperatures taken.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 11:55 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:56 am to TideSaint
The restrictions put in place weren't some attempt to screw over people from getting a potentially useful treatment for COVID19, but to prevent doctors from over-prescribing those treatments to the detriment of people with pre-existing conditions that rely upon that medication, which is what was happening. Some doctors were prescribing it as a prophylactic treatment for their friends and family members. See, e.g., LINK
Edit: I do think the outright ban on new prescriptions, such as was seen in Nevada was--at best--short sighted.
Edit: I do think the outright ban on new prescriptions, such as was seen in Nevada was--at best--short sighted.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 11:58 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:00 pm to paperwasp
So they'll have lines of people waiting outside all close together instead?
Never mind I read that wrong. I thought they meant 2 in the whole store
But I know some places like Publix have had that problem. With people crowding around outside the store.
Never mind I read that wrong. I thought they meant 2 in the whole store
But I know some places like Publix have had that problem. With people crowding around outside the store.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:05 pm to TideSaint
I'm staying home all the time, except for minimal necessary trips to stores. I'm being real careful with distance from people and sanitizing my hands when I do go out in public.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:32 pm to TidalSurge1
Some perspective from reports from people I trust fighting this shite on the front lines:
You are ventilated for COVID because you are literally suffocating. Pulse ox readings falling into the 80's. Anything below 95 is cause for concern. Anything in the lower 90's and you start suffocating and turning blue. In the 80's you have one foot in the grave. Ventilation is the only way to get oxygen into you. Yes, COVID is causing horrific lung damage: alveolar capillary leakage/hemorrhage, scarring, and pulmonary fibrosis like you used to get with severe pneumonia before we could treat it, like back in the 60's. You go in with healthy lungs, you come out with smokers lungs and probably something akin to COPD. You go in with bad lungs, you don't come out alive. Stats from people I know: somewhere between 85-95% of people that end up ventilated aren't making it. Hopefully that is improving day by day as we learn more but right now, your odds are slim and none.
Regarding Hydroxychloroquine/zithromax: the treatment seems to work IF YOU GET IT BEFORE YOU ARE CRITICAL!!! But good luck getting it. Both drugs are in short supply and are being rationed and saved for hospitals which is a little backwards since you need it early. Drug companies are scrambling to ramp them up. Most chains and many states have put restrictions on them just for the reasons mentioned: jackasses wanting it just to have it. Publix, for instance, has put a restriction that you have to have a positive test confirmed by your doctor before they will dispense here in Florida. That seems harsh, but just yesterday, my wife who works for Publix had this plastic surgeon try to prescribe it for himself and his family. No, he's not going into the hospital trying to help care for the infected, he just wants to have some just in case. If it were plentiful, hey, I don't blame you. Since it is very well known that it is in short supply in medical circles, you, doc, are an a-hole! frick off!
Also, just read the 2 minute antibody test was some dickhead's idea of a joke. The FDA knows of no such test.
ETA: They are often having to run the vent pressure so high as to rupture some lungs which causes lung collapse which leads to an emergency chest tube. This stuff is really something out of your worst nightmare
You are ventilated for COVID because you are literally suffocating. Pulse ox readings falling into the 80's. Anything below 95 is cause for concern. Anything in the lower 90's and you start suffocating and turning blue. In the 80's you have one foot in the grave. Ventilation is the only way to get oxygen into you. Yes, COVID is causing horrific lung damage: alveolar capillary leakage/hemorrhage, scarring, and pulmonary fibrosis like you used to get with severe pneumonia before we could treat it, like back in the 60's. You go in with healthy lungs, you come out with smokers lungs and probably something akin to COPD. You go in with bad lungs, you don't come out alive. Stats from people I know: somewhere between 85-95% of people that end up ventilated aren't making it. Hopefully that is improving day by day as we learn more but right now, your odds are slim and none.
Regarding Hydroxychloroquine/zithromax: the treatment seems to work IF YOU GET IT BEFORE YOU ARE CRITICAL!!! But good luck getting it. Both drugs are in short supply and are being rationed and saved for hospitals which is a little backwards since you need it early. Drug companies are scrambling to ramp them up. Most chains and many states have put restrictions on them just for the reasons mentioned: jackasses wanting it just to have it. Publix, for instance, has put a restriction that you have to have a positive test confirmed by your doctor before they will dispense here in Florida. That seems harsh, but just yesterday, my wife who works for Publix had this plastic surgeon try to prescribe it for himself and his family. No, he's not going into the hospital trying to help care for the infected, he just wants to have some just in case. If it were plentiful, hey, I don't blame you. Since it is very well known that it is in short supply in medical circles, you, doc, are an a-hole! frick off!
Also, just read the 2 minute antibody test was some dickhead's idea of a joke. The FDA knows of no such test.
ETA: They are often having to run the vent pressure so high as to rupture some lungs which causes lung collapse which leads to an emergency chest tube. This stuff is really something out of your worst nightmare
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:32 pm to phil4bama
Florida governor just issued a Stay at Home order.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:41 pm to phil4bama
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Florida governor just issued a Stay at Home order.
Good, but he's late. I've been staying home for the last few weeks. It's just common sense. COVID-19 is highly contagious and deadly. The virus can become airborne and it can live for hours in the air and on surfaces, such as a door handle or credit card terminal.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:41 pm to phil4bama
Let me add this: if you have any reason to believe you have the disease and are feeling sick, YOUR SURVIVAL DEPENDS ON GETTING TREATMENT FAST!!! If you have flu like symptoms and experience ANY shortness of breath or difficulty breathing, you need to start the drugs RIGHT AWAY! The evidence is still purely anecdotal at this point, but the people who are recovering are getting treated early. I know of one particular person who started feeling this way; couldn't breath, pulse ox was falling, tested positive, got the drugs, never had to be hospitalized. Initially, you will be told to self quarantine, and monitor for worsening which is correct. But if you do worsen, ACT IMMEDIATELY! DON"T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER!
Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:08 pm to phil4bama
1,060 cases
Posted on 4/1/20 at 3:23 pm to pvilleguru
Cuomo Warns U.S. as Virus Deaths in N.Y. Region Pass 2,300: Live Updates (NYT)
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Other highlights from the governor’s morning briefing in Albany:
Confirmed cases: 83,712, up from 75,795.
New York City cases: 47,349, up from 43,139.
Currently hospitalized: 12,226, up from 10,929.
In intensive care: 3,022, up from 2,710.
The latest projections for the state put the peak of the outbreak at the end of this month.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 3:26 pm
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