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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:38 am to FairhopeTider
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:38 am to FairhopeTider
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There is just way too much money on the line for colleges, networks, and college towns for there to not be any football this fall. Would be absolutely devastating to a lot of organizations that are already getting hit hard.
No where even close to amount of money business around the country are currently losing with the shut down. Networks are losing far more money with the shutdown of pro sports that happen multiple times a day. So missing out on a college game once a week is not the same.
But the concern is with states that are starting to open things back up we will see an increase in cases again. And instead getting through this quickly it will drag into late summer and even fall.
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Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:51 am to FairhopeTider
I don't think large public gatherings are going to happen until there is a vaccine, so I don't see college football happening this fall. I just don't see them having college football without fans in the stands, but I may be wrong.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 9:31 am to FairhopeTider
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I don’t see Spring Football happening. Just way too many logistical problems come out of that. Not saying the Fall is optimum, but it could still work if changed up.
And Pullman, WA to Boston, MA won’t be a problem in Dec-Jan? I think the issues with spring football are more easily addressed than pushing back the start in fall. Plus every day we wait is a day closer to resolution.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 10:04 am to phil4bama
I see Mobile has overtaken Jefferson and has a sizable jump in deaths. Maybe from the from the nursing home that has been affected?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:08 pm to The Spleen
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but I may be wrong.
There is already an uprising brewing over the economy. People will lose their shite if the cancel college and pro football. I think we are gonna have a season but if we don't, I am gonna be pretty pissed. Fans can choose to stay home to protect themselves if they want to.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:43 pm to TideWarrior
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No where even close to amount of money business around the country are currently losing with the shut down. Networks are losing far more money with the shutdown of pro sports that happen multiple times a day. So missing out on a college game once a week is not the same.
We are specifically talking about football. There are 15 or so NFL games a week. Just using D2 and up there are 200 college games a week. From an economic impact standpoint college is much greater and it isn’t close at all.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 1:53 pm to TideWarrior
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But the concern is with states that are starting to open things back up we will see an increase in cases again. And instead getting through this quickly it will drag into late summer and even fall.
That's not how this works. There is no "getting through it quickly" absent a huge, immediate, spread. The virus doesn't magically vanish by shutting down small businesses and commanding middle to upper class workers to stay inside for a couple months. The whole point of the government shutdowns was to "flatten the curve" below healthcare capacity to avoid unnecessary deaths from a lack of equipment or personnel, not to eliminate deaths altogether. We are well below that point, which means the government shutdowns are prolonging, not shortening, the duration of the virus.
The only reason to continue this madness would be if a vaccine was imminent, but that is not the case. It could be years away.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 4/21/20 at 1:56 pm to TideCPA
Posted on 4/21/20 at 2:04 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
In the pie charts to the right (the "deaths with no underlying conditions" category), it seems odd to separate the age ranges as 19-64 and 65+ if nobody under 51 has died without underlying conditions.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 3:53 pm to Commander Data
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There is already an uprising brewing over the economy.
A really small one right now. I've watched footage from most of the protests, and most of them have pretty sparse attendance. It's might suspicious almost all of them are made up of gun toting folks carrying Gadsden flags, but that's a whole other discussion. Polling shows a majority of the country is concerned with opening the economy back up too soon and having to go through this again.
But I'll reiterate a point I've made a few times that it's not an easy decision, on either side of the coin. Leaders are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. I've almost hit my limit of working from home and ready to get back to a semblance of normal. But I'm also not convinced that getting there won't re-ignite this thing.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 4/21/20 at 4:08 pm to The Spleen
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But I'll reiterate a point I've made a few times that it's not an easy decision, on either side of the coin. Leaders are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. I've almost hit my limit of working from home and ready to get back to a semblance of normal. But I'm also not convinced that getting there won't re-ignite this thing.
Absent an effective vaccine, which may be YEARS away, we HAVE to "re-ignite this thing" to a certain degree in order to have it run its course. Eliminating small business and burying the travel, dining, service, retail, and transportation industries is only prolonging the inevitable at ENORMOUS cost to people's livelihoods and mental health. Unless of course we intend to keep all these restrictions in place until a vaccine is researched, tested, approved, distributed, and administered to hundreds of millions of people. How long do you think that will take?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 4:32 pm to TideCPA
I don't disagree, and I don't think it's a binary choice of opening it back fully or keeping it at the current status quo. I think each state needs to create its own task force made up of public health experts, business leaders, and lawmakers to devise a plan to try and get things rolling again, while balancing that with the public's health. I have no clue what that plan should look like though.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:09 pm to The Spleen
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I have no clue what that plan should look like though.
It should look different for every state because the situation in each is different. The problem we've got now is all but a handful of governors are playing monkey see monkey do.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:39 pm to JustGetItRight
I also think with the next relief bill from Congress they need to include some tax credits for businesses that keep employees working from home as much as possible. And they should look into re-instituting the 2% miscellaneous deduction for home office expenses for individual filers.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:48 pm to The Spleen
Good article: The Infection That’s Silently Killing Coronavirus Patients (NYT) silent hypoxia
Good news: New antibody testing studies show higher number of infections than expected (NYT)
Good news: New antibody testing studies show higher number of infections than expected (NYT)
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 7:58 am
Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:49 pm to The Spleen
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I don't disagree, and I don't think it's a binary choice of opening it back fully or keeping it at the current status quo
All I know is I'm sick and damn tired of being treated as the moral equivalent of a murderer by a huge segment of our population for the mere suggestion that the government has no business threatening people into virtual house arrest for two years in hopes that a vaccine will come.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 7:06 pm to TideCPA
We are not morons, we can think for ourselves and take precautions. We have the choice to work, play, shop, or stay home because this is America.
Everyone is ultimately responsible for themselves and politicians are disgusting for playing political games (either side) rather than presenting the truth to us to make our own choices.
Everyone is ultimately responsible for themselves and politicians are disgusting for playing political games (either side) rather than presenting the truth to us to make our own choices.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 7:30 pm to CrimsonShadow
Colorado has begun reopening. Salons, personal trainers, tattoo parlors among other things can open tomorrow.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 7:34 pm to JustGetItRight
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Colorado has begun reopening. Salons, personal trainers, tattoo parlors among other things can open tomorrow.
MeeMaw had a chance to actually lead the way for once, and she totally dropped the ball.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 7:36 pm to CrimsonShadow
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We are not morons, we can think for ourselves and take precautions.
Actually a lot of people are morons and won't follow good common sense advice about taking precautions.
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