re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)

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Another somewhat anecdotal suggestion that this has already inundated the population and we wrecked the economy for nothing.

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At some point, all of these "anecdotal" suggestions have to add up to meaning something.

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Also, Here is a study from a Boston homeless shelter. All 397 tested, 146 positive. Every single on asymptotic. Another somewhat anecdotal suggestion that this has already inundated the population and we wrecked the economy for nothing.

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There is also the theoretical concept that because we live under a democratic regime, that often turns a Federal edict into a State suggestion, that the lockdown has not had the results of say, a communist country like China, who for 45 days used their normal Draconian tactics to isolate their citizens. Eyewitnesses of the China shutdown have stated that their isolation was much more serious and threatening by all accounts. The country is receiving universal praise for its effectiveness in stopping the virus in its pandemic form.

In complete contrast, a lot of Americans have never looked at this supposed isolation as anything more pressing than a take it or leave it proposition.

Not only have we been the anti-China in our mandates, but both leaders and many of its citizens have now quickly grown weary of all these half-azz measures we chose to implement to began with. What could go wrong?

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If only they were telling the truth...

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Regardless, neutral observers are unanimous in their description of what a china lockdown looks like. They were daring their citizens to stick their heads out. We have 8 states that still haven't bothered to make their isolation official. Many states will be following Texas in the coming days.

Comparably speaking, regardless of eventuality, we're a lot more Frank Sinatra than China, who once boldly sang, "I Did It My Way."

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We have 8 states that still haven't bothered to make their isolation official.

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They don’t need to. Some of those states have really low numbers

What are you trying to advocate for here? Temporarily turn into a totalitarian state? Whatever “worked” in China wouldn’t happen anywhere else. Neither side would agree to something like that here and nor should they.

Opening the economy back up will need a lot of coordination. Right now closing down a lot of businesses was not only necessary for preventive measures but needed to happen once schools closed. Many parents do not have access to childcare and many more lost it when preschools and day cares were also closed.

Once the schools closed parents were going to stay home. A few years ago when the teachers went on strike in CA it was reported that something like 100 million a day was being lost by businesses because parents could not come to work due to lack of a viable childcare option. That is the case everywhere as well. In the south it is even worse due to being in right to work states. The virus with federal help has allowed people to stay home and receive either/or unemployment, paid leave, and protection to retain their job. If they open businesses back up before parents have options for childcare like summer camps these people will no longer be protected. An employer has to sign off for you to get approval for unemployment. If everything is reopened without any type of employee protection many will no longer have a job.

An issue now that is already happening in many states where people that work for an essential business like Lowes or a grocery store are refusing to go to work because other employees are testing positive. But the business is requiring them to work or else.

This is not a simple process by any means.

Speaking of China, there are rumors of a second massive outbreak in Harbin in Heilongjiang province on the northern border with Russia. The source is certainly a little dubious at this point but definitely worth noting and watching. LINK LINK

There’s also mounting opinion and evidence from the intelligence community that this virus did indeed escape from the virology lab in Wuhan. The question becomes was it accidental or deliberate.

ETA: Fun fact: There’s credible evidence to believe the 1918 “Spanish” flu also actually originated in China. LINK

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There’s also mounting opinion and evidence from the intelligence community that this virus did indeed escape from the virology lab in Wuhan. The question becomes was it accidental or deliberate.

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I'm not saying is untrue or implausible but, seriously, the only "evidence" I have seen in any article is that, "years ago, someone was suspicious something like this could happen."

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I'm not saying is untrue or implausible but, seriously, the only "evidence" I have seen in any article is that, "years ago, someone was suspicious something like this could happen."

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Actually there are current multiple reports that US intelligence agencies are looking into it but are doing the same to other theories. Right now most believe a cause will never be found.

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US intelligence is reviewing sensitive intelligence collection aimed at the Chinese government, according to the intelligence source, as they pursue the theory. But some intelligence officials say it is possible the actual cause may never be known.

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Joint Chief of Staff Chairman Mark Milley acknowledged this week that US intelligence is taking "a hard look" at the question of whether the novel coronavirus originated in a lab.

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But even the White House is cautious on that theory.

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A source close to the White House coronavirus task force also cautioned that "every time there is an outbreak someone proposes that the virus or other pathogen came out of a lab."

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Interesting though I did not see you call out the Chinese when one of theirs claimed the US was responsible by infecting US military for the World Games to purposely infect their people.

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Um, it has already been announced by the governor that the 2019-2020 school year is over. That is a done deal.

The discussion here and nationally is what happens this fall.

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Agreed.

I stated that. I also stated there are rumors about a reversal. However unfounded.

I made both those points in the larger discussion of the issue parent will have in getting back to normal.

Stop trying to be the smart kid in the room...or ummm... go frick yourself.

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It’s also suspicious that the doctors, nurses or whoever in China, that tried to warn the world about this, have come up missing or dead.

If you aren’t covering things up, why would those people end up missing?

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China covers up and manipulates every single thing to prop up political leadership and the political leaders get away with it because they have no interior media with the power to counter balance that.

No one argues that they are beyond dishonest and untrustworthy. They are, perhaps, the rogue state.

They have been for decades and no one really cares because big corporations make billions off them exploiting their work force.

I just don't like how all this news comes out like "we trusted China and look how they fooled us"

Anyone who ever trusted China the least little bit is a complete moron.

Since no US leader with half a brain would ever trust China, I am more interested in what America's responses have been knowing that their official word is always untrustworthy.

It's too easy to say "bad lying China" when everyone who breathes air know that is the case.