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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:00 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:00 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
LINK ]Coronavirus Live Updates: Testing Is Biggest Obstacle to Reopening States, Experts Say (NYT)
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Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:04 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
I personally find that so many Americans are becoming totally devoted fan boys -- reminiscent of LSU TD fans with Will Wade -- of politicians on either side scarier than this virus.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:05 pm to TidalSurge1
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:30 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:30 pm to wm72
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I personally find that so many Americans are becoming totally devoted fan boys -- reminiscent of LSU TD fans with Will Wade -- of politicians on either side scarier than this virus.
The same could be said of the fanboys devoted to being anti Trump.
You are no different.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:31 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Thanks. I was able to view & read that WSJ article when I posted it. Anyway, I switched the post (above) to a NYT article, that makes the same point -- more testing is needed before governors can safely open up their states.
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:42 pm to wm72
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Trump was lock-step with everything WHO said the entire way. In fact, they often said almost the exact things, the day after he did.
Trump followed the recommendations of the WHO, which is why the US even prior to Trump has been funding the WHO, and now he is wrong for supporting their claims. But now because he thinks they were wrong like many no matter their political affiliation he is halting future funding he is wrong again.
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He absolutely knew -- along with a lot of higher level officials unless we have the most inept international intelligence gathering in the world -- that this was very bad in China at that time.
That speaks for itself to some point but it is not like China has had other major viruses prior to this but yet did not affect the US like this one has.
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Not sure why so many people want to completely hide the fact that Trump dropped the ball getting the country as prepared as it needed to be (even if you can argue that it would be some level of economic disaster regardless).
Now we are back to one person is the blame. Why did Governors or other members of congress like Pelosi not rush to address the issue? By the way a rhetorical question.
Some of you can not resist your infatuation with the man.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 11:28 pm to TideWarrior
Often the WHO statements came the day after Trump had already said the same thing the day before. Who followed who?
Anyway, Trump seems to want the buck to stop with him except when it's politically inconvenient then it was everyone else's fault. That's not how leaders lead.
I'll make no secret that I think Trump is closer to Eric Cartman than a steady well-reasoned leader but I'm no fanboy of any politician. . . Cuomo, De Blasio, Trump or Obama et al . . . All make/made mistakes and democracy is at it's strongest when they can be actively called out on those mistakes with fact.
Scares me when people blindly throw any of them onto some regal pedestal beyond rational criticism as I think they all probably have some good points but all need to be kept a very short leash of checks and balances and above all active criticism. Nothing is more paramount for a free democracy.
Anyway, Trump seems to want the buck to stop with him except when it's politically inconvenient then it was everyone else's fault. That's not how leaders lead.
I'll make no secret that I think Trump is closer to Eric Cartman than a steady well-reasoned leader but I'm no fanboy of any politician. . . Cuomo, De Blasio, Trump or Obama et al . . . All make/made mistakes and democracy is at it's strongest when they can be actively called out on those mistakes with fact.
Scares me when people blindly throw any of them onto some regal pedestal beyond rational criticism as I think they all probably have some good points but all need to be kept a very short leash of checks and balances and above all active criticism. Nothing is more paramount for a free democracy.
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Posted on 4/16/20 at 12:01 am to wm72
Posted on 4/16/20 at 8:41 am to wm72
I agree with the crux of your statement WM72. My issue is when one side has the benefit of the media being “on their team”. The cozy relationship between the media and the democrat party is quite frankly chilling to watch. There is no true fairness in how matters are reviewed and blame is spread.
Ultimately, it will be up to us to not only sift through the facts, but to also apply fairness and rationality to decisions and actions. It would be awesome if we as a people could be done with influential people pointing at certain groups and parties and telling us to “sic ‘em” to see us react like Malinois.
Ultimately, it will be up to us to not only sift through the facts, but to also apply fairness and rationality to decisions and actions. It would be awesome if we as a people could be done with influential people pointing at certain groups and parties and telling us to “sic ‘em” to see us react like Malinois.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 9:00 am to TideWarrior
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Why did Governors or other members of congress like Pelosi not rush to address the issue?
Some did. California isn't in dire circumstances because Newsom acted quickly. Washington was the first epicenter in the country, but it has stabilized there because Inslee acted quickly. There were Senators and Representatives sounding the alarm on this around the same time. Tom Cotton, Kamala Harris, Chris Murphy off the top of my head.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 9:16 am to The Spleen
You definitely watch CNN.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 9:22 am to The Spleen
Which do you prefer, CNN or MSNBC? There are only 4 of you that watch those places. Was just wondering.
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Posted on 4/16/20 at 9:29 am to Crimsonians
I don't really watch any of the cable news channels. I do like Chris Hayes on MSNBC but rarely watch his show, just listen to his podcast.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 10:22 am to The Spleen
quote:Same here. The only news person I follow on Twitter is Kaitlan Collins.
I don't really watch any of the cable news channels.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 10:29 am to LovetheLord
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I agree with the crux of your statement WM72. My issue is when one side has the benefit of the media being “on their team”. The cozy relationship between the media and the democrat party is quite frankly chilling to watch. There is no true fairness in how matters are reviewed and blame is spread.
You are including Fox News in your lament, are you not? Otherwise, you would be most guilty of practicing the same dogma you just spoke against.
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Ultimately, it will be up to us to not only sift through the facts, but to also apply fairness and rationality to decisions and actions. It would be awesome if we as a people could be done with influential people pointing at certain groups and parties and telling us to “sic ‘em” to see us react like Malinois.
The remote is an extension of well established learned behavior patterns. Meaning, most people aren't looking for the facts of the matter when they clicked over to CNN, they simply want something to hear they can agree with and emotionally sound down. It's like watching your favorite movie, again and again. You can play the parts after a while and are well aware of how it ends. People don't tune in because they want a debate, they want allies. That birds of a feather thing we talk so much about.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 10:52 am to bamameister
Well, call me an old coot, but I liked it MUCH better when the mainstream media still tried to at least maintain the appearance of objectivity. Back when Cronkite and Brokaw gave you the nightly news on their network and everything wasn't so damn slanted. I'm sure there was a bias to a degree then too, but it wasn't so extreme. Now, the media is just as polarized as the political parties are. There is no center, no middle ground. Everything is so far left as to be socialist or far right as to be fascist.
Can the media just do their job? Their job being to OBJECTIVELY report the news, just the facts, without spin, and let ME decide how to interpret and digest it. And by doing that job, they perform a vital function of keeping the parties honest fulfilling their role as the Fourth Estate. Otherwise, they are just part of the problem for both sides.
Can the media just do their job? Their job being to OBJECTIVELY report the news, just the facts, without spin, and let ME decide how to interpret and digest it. And by doing that job, they perform a vital function of keeping the parties honest fulfilling their role as the Fourth Estate. Otherwise, they are just part of the problem for both sides.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 11:05 am to phil4bama
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Back when Cronkite and Brokaw gave you the nightly news on their network and everything wasn't so damn slanted
I watch ABC News with David Muir a few nights a week and I don't pick up any extreme bias in the reporting.
MSNBC and Fox News? Absolutely. Some shows on CNN? Absolutely. Most of the programming on those channels are more entertainment than news.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 11:10 am to The Spleen
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Most of the programming on those channels are more entertainment than news.
I guess they feel like they have to be. Especially now. They want viewers and with 24hr news cycles and so many different forms of news (social media included), everything has to be sensationalized or catered to a certain audience to get the attention.
Posted on 4/16/20 at 11:34 am to Crimsonians
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Which do you prefer, CNN or MSNBC?
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