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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)
Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:18 am to JustGetItRight
Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:18 am to JustGetItRight
Sweet! Glad to see I'm part of mainstream America!
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Posted on 4/13/20 at 8:33 am to JustGetItRight
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All those counties between the two coasts. You know, the ones where normal people that actually make this place go live.
Without citing political leanings, what makes someone from Des Moines or Tulsa "normal" or more conducive to the strength of the economy compared to someone from Brooklyn or San Francisco?
Posted on 4/13/20 at 9:00 am to Robot Santa
I was speaking primarily of the media and cultural elites that congregate on metro areas of those coasts but since you asked....
The fact that they raise your food, deliver your products, provide the people that staff your military, build the cars you drive, and otherwise make everything go? Is that enough to make them more valuable to the nation? It certainly is to me.
Since you specifically mentioned San Francisco, they have no middle class at all. You're either highly paid or homeless. Since you mentioned Brooklyn, they have a population density of 27,000 per square mile. In fact, Miami and Chicago are the only two of the top 10 most densely populated American cities not located on either the pacific coast or Atlantic northeast. There are only three more in the next 10 that aren't in those locations.
The world they live in is different than ours and it isn't about politics. There are plenty of liberals in those places in between so yes, Spleen, you are mainstream America.
The fact that they raise your food, deliver your products, provide the people that staff your military, build the cars you drive, and otherwise make everything go? Is that enough to make them more valuable to the nation? It certainly is to me.
Since you specifically mentioned San Francisco, they have no middle class at all. You're either highly paid or homeless. Since you mentioned Brooklyn, they have a population density of 27,000 per square mile. In fact, Miami and Chicago are the only two of the top 10 most densely populated American cities not located on either the pacific coast or Atlantic northeast. There are only three more in the next 10 that aren't in those locations.
The world they live in is different than ours and it isn't about politics. There are plenty of liberals in those places in between so yes, Spleen, you are mainstream America.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 9:20 am to JustGetItRight
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A sailor who tested positive for Covid-19 on the USS Theodore Roosevelt has died of the coronavirus, the US Navy said Monday.
The Navy did not disclose the name of the sailor, who was admitted to the intensive care unit of a US Navy hospital on Thursday.
Nearly 600 sailors on the Roosevelt have tested positive for Covid-19, the US Navy said in a statement, adding that 92% of the Roosevelt's crew members have been tested for the virus.
The impact of the coronavirus pandemic on the Roosevelt was at the center of a controversy that led to the resignation last week of Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly, who had dismissed the aircraft carrier's captain Brett Crozier after the leak of a memo in which he implored Navy officials to urgently evacuate the ship to protect the health of its sailors.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 9:20 am to JustGetItRight
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The fact that they raise your food, deliver your products, provide the people that staff your military, build the cars you drive, and otherwise make everything go? Is that enough to make them more valuable to the nation? It certainly is to me.
Most of the produce I buy in the grocery store is from Mexico or California. There are delivery drivers on the coasts. There are members of the military from the coasts. A ton of our cars and trucks are built in Mexico. Also, I would argue that the tech that is developed on the West Coast has just as much to do with "making things go" as everything you just named. And none of that even addresses your claim that people who do not live along a coast are "normal", which implies that people who do live along a coast are not normal. What about them isn't normal to you?
Posted on 4/13/20 at 9:20 am to TideWarrior
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A group of church-goers in Kentucky were cited Sunday for attending an Easter service despite stay-at-home orders. Kentucky troopers cited license plates and left notices on every car's windshield, while the owners were inside congregating.
"We really wanted together for Easter," said Bevelyn Beatty who traveled to Kentucky from New Jersey to attend the service. "I have never not went to church for Easter and I refuse to do it even with the situation going on my Lord is more important."
Posted on 4/13/20 at 9:42 am to JustGetItRight
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he fact that they raise your food, deliver your products, provide the people that staff your military, build the cars you drive, and otherwise make everything go? Is that enough to make them more valuable to the nation?
No, but I also don't believe middle American is solely responsible for all of that. Further, you're guilty of the very thing you've accused the "media" of doing, which makes you a hypocrite.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 9:46 am to TideWarrior
That idiot didn't really express any good reason why it's "important" to congregate in tight proximity with perhaps hundreds of people for a church service, especially considering that she traveled to Kentucky from NJ, a hotspot. The preacher at the church is equally stupid. 
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 9:57 am
Posted on 4/13/20 at 9:52 am to The Spleen
The thread can’t helped being derailed I guess
Posted on 4/13/20 at 9:57 am to 1BamaRTR
Mobile is inching up to Birmingham in cases despite having far fewer tests
People here in Mobile aren’t really distancing. Things like a bunch of kids still out and about everywhere
People here in Mobile aren’t really distancing. Things like a bunch of kids still out and about everywhere
Posted on 4/13/20 at 10:30 am to Robot Santa
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Without citing political leanings, what makes someone from Des Moines or Tulsa "normal" or more conducive to the strength of the economy compared to someone from Brooklyn or San Francisco?
Oil and food
The strength of the US economy is driven on the surface by 3 industries. Steel, Automotive, and Timber. The 3 are also largely entangled. Steel drives commercial construction, transportation equipment and structures, automotive, military, energy. Automotive drives steel, transportation, and energy. Timber drive residential construction, paper and paper products, packaging.
Under those 3 "primary" industries there are two others that support and entangle with every other segment of our lives. Oil and food. Without oil (energy) nothing if manufactured, nothing is transported, there are no plastics, there are no heat sources other than direct sun light or wood fire.
Very little that makes oil production or food production happen comes from Brooklyn or San Francisco. The people that make this country work are from "fly-over" country. The idiots on the coast will scream, we have solar power and electric cars. The solar cells are useless without the ability to manufacture them, transport them, install them, or distribute the power they generate. All of that comes from oil and "fly-over" people. As for electric car, where the hell do you think the power is generated? It is not in Brooklyn or San Francisco. The insulation on every wire? Oil. The tires? Oil. The steel and aluminum? Oil. The materials used to manufacture the batteries? Oil.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 10:31 am to 1BamaRTR
Yep, looks like it.
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Mobile County, population 413,000, has reported 16 deaths, one more than Jefferson County which has a population of 658,700.
In recent weeks, Mobile County has seen a sharp upswing in coronavirus cases even as some parts of the state appear to be leveling off.
There are currently some 50 people in the county hospitalized due to the virus – 4 between the ages of 25-49; 16 between the ages of 50-64; and 30 older than age 65.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 10:38 am to paperwasp
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Japan approves use of high-proof liquor for COVID-19
Anti-viral disinfectants may be running in short supply in Japan, where the government has suggested liquor with high alcohol content could be a viable substitute amid the coronavirus pandemic.
Tokyo’s health ministry said Monday the government approves the use of brand name alcoholic beverages with 70 to 83 percent alcohol content as replacements for commercial disinfectants, Japanese television network NHK reported. The bulletin was distributed to hospitals nationwide, according to the report.
The ministry said the “special measure” addresses the shortage of disinfectants at hospitals and other institutions of care.
Japan has witnessed a spike in COVID-19 cases since late March.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 10:41 am to paperwasp
The curve is starting bend to here in the US unless it's a statistical anomoly.
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 4/13/20 at 10:46 am to Tw1st3d
You can argue all day about specific industries but you can not efface the degree to which tax dollars from New York and California subsidize most of the "middle" of the USA.
I'm originally from Pensacola, Florida and can't imagine what the economy of that entire region would be like without federal government spending.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 10:51 am to wm72
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tax dollars from New York and California subsidize most of the "middle" of the USA
Pure nonsense. The federal government funding line items the federal government forces states to pay for is not "subsidizing." It's "forcing."
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 10:52 am
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:02 am to Tw1st3d
I see that y'all really want to avoid the "normal" vs. not normal aspect of the "those damned coastal elites" attitude. 
It's ridiculous to try to cherry pick certain industries as more or less valuable to the economy. Without oil, food, and steel production the economy would certainly fall apart. The same can be said for tech and finance.
It's ridiculous to try to cherry pick certain industries as more or less valuable to the economy. Without oil, food, and steel production the economy would certainly fall apart. The same can be said for tech and finance.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:17 am to paperwasp
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Anti-viral disinfectants may be running in short supply in Japan, where the government has suggested liquor with high alcohol content could be a viable substitute amid the coronavirus pandemic.
We may need to get in touch with all our moonshiners in the southeast and have them churn out some of their double and triple distilled liquor. Stuff comes through at about 160 proof. That's plenty of antiseptic action for everyone.
Nothing like keeping free enterprise alive and well and an added bonus no one has to teach these boys about the art of isolation.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:21 am to imjustafatkid
I may agree with you about a lot of "drop in the bucket" smaller tax laws but the fact still stands that the big money like military spending in Alabama, just for example, is probably the main reason behind most places where the economy is "booming" and in place like Pensacola, the main reason there's much of an economy at all.
I would guess most areas where much of the economy is based on farming takes a lot more tax money than they are able to pay as well too.
These 10 sates provide around 2/3 of total federal tax revenue.
California pays nearly double that of even second place NY.
1. CALIFORNIA
2. NEW YORK
3. TEXAS
4. FLORIDA
5. ILLINIOIS
6. NEW JERSEY
7. OHIO
8. PENNSYLVANIA
9. MASSACHUSETTS
10. MINNESOTA
I personally think the country should have always done a lot more to keep more manufacturing, businesses locally owned and operated. But, if we're ok with fewer, massive corporations controlling oil, farming (mentioned above) and being the investors behind almost everything, that means we are choosing for most of the profits from those things to end up in places like NYC.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:36 am to Robot Santa
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I see that y'all really want to avoid the "normal" vs. not normal aspect of the "those damned coastal elites" attitude
Like we didn't know what he meant with that comment to begin with.
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