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Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:45 am to PowHound
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:45 am to PowHound
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Alabama’s players hit the practice field early Thursday morning for its second two-a-day of fall camp in the team’s ninth overall practice. The Crimson Tide practiced in full pads on a cloudy, 79-degree morning.
Here are several tidbits from the Crimson Tide’s first Thursday practice session in Tuscaloosa:
- Freshman running back Joshua Jacobs (thigh contusion) participated in individual drills in the two media viewing periods Thursday morning. The newcomer had been limited the past couple of days because of his injury but looked to be moving well this morning. He was behind Bo Scarbrough, Damien Harris and B.J. Emmons in the running back line.
- Linebacker Keith Holcombe was absent for most of the viewing portion of practice but returned to the field just as reporters were walking off it to participate -- or at least watch -- nickel drills with the inside linebackers and secondary.
- In the first nickel grouping of the viewing periods, Anthony Averett was the corner opposite Marlon Humphrey, while Minkah Fitzpatrick lined up as the star. Eddie Jackson and Ronnie Harrison were the safeties, and Reuben Foster and Shaun Hamilton were the MIKE and WILL linebackers. The secondary continues to change as the season approaches.
- Jonathan Allen, Da'Ron Payne and Dalvin Tomlinson led the defensive linemen through drills Thursday. Da'Shawn Hand, Josh Frazier and Johnny Dwight were behind them, followed by Quinnen Williams, O.J. Smith and Raekwon Davis. Junior college transfer Jamar King continues to take reps at the back of the line, but he does not seem to be limited.
- The defensive linemen worked on batting balls down at the line of scrimmage near the end of the viewing period. Two at a time, they would punch a blocking dummy before throwing their arms in the air to swat the football.
- Redshirt sophomore quarterback David Cornwell (foot) still appeared to be limited by his injury, as he did not participate in every quarterback drill. He did, however, join the others when they worked on combo routes with the tight ends and wide receivers. Cornwell and Jalen Hurts threw to one line, while Cooper Bateman and Blake Barnett threw to the other.
- A number of NFL scouts from the Houston Texans, Tennessee Titans, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Carolina Panthers and Washington Redskins watched Thursday morning’s outdoor practice from the sideline.
*** What’s next: Alabama will return to the field for its second practice of the day at 7:30 p.m. CT.
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:54 am to prevatt33
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Bateman to Howard (a few days ago)
An SEC defense would eat that up. Oh, wait...
That's Cornwell not Bateman FYI
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:57 am to CrimsonBoz
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That's Cornwell not Bateman FYI
That's #18, tweeter corrected themselves under it.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:58 am to prevatt33
Nothing matters until each QB takes reps with the 1's. Until then I don't care about opinions. My own eye and that of the people who judge talent will tell me what I need to know during the next two Saturdays. If Bateman blows it during the scrimmage and one of the other two don't. Things will get interesting. If he doesn't turn the ball over and makes the plays asked, he will play.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:02 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Couldn't see the number just looked at the description. I wouldn't consider that a long ball by any stretch of the imagination and that's not what people are talking about.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:05 pm to remaster916
I was being sarcastic but yes I understand the concept. 
Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:13 pm to PowHound
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Prev, I have a hard time understanding why Bateman was asked to take reps at WR in the past if it was believed he was the future at QB. (And whatever the theory or reasoning I'm not buying it, sorry)
Blake sims, prior to being our starting QB 2 years ago, had spent time at both Safety and Running back while at Bama.
Saban specifically spoke about Bateman at WR a few years back and said it was because he was such a good athlete, the staff was seeing if he could help the team elsewhere. It was pretty straightforward and cut-n-dry.
You can "not buy it" all you want, but your just advertising yourself as a person with his head in the sand.
And lastly, regarding your comment about "QB of the future", I can't understand why so many of you focus on the "future" as if it's some tangible thing. Saban gets paid to win NOW, and makes 100% of his decisions toward that singular goal, i.e. playing starters on special teams, trying folks at other positions, etc.
It is overtly evident that many Bama fans on this board and others never played sports at a high level, or else these ridiculous opinions would not be so pervasive.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:16 pm to CrimsonBoz
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I wouldn't consider that a long ball by any stretch of the imagination and that's not what people are talking about.
No, but it IS what people SHOULD BE talking about. Bateman can get it done. We'll see if he does.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:21 pm to CrimsonBoz
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If [Bateman] doesn't turn the ball over and makes the plays asked, he will play.
Yup. This is the totality of the narrative of our QB battle.
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:35 pm to prevatt33
However, it should be noted that while Bateman may win the QB job, Saban has stated multiple times that if a second QB gives you an advantage, it makes sense to have packages for that player.
Keep in mind, this does not mean platooning 2 guys like Spurrier has done in years past, splitting serieses and such. But Saban has directly stated in years past that he'd be open to having a version of a 2-guy system, perhaps similar to Chris Leak and Tebow during Tebow's first year. (Hurts being Tebow in this analogy.)
However, IMHO, Bateman starts this year and next, and probably wins a championship along the way. Hurts redshirts this year, but is the real QB2 if Bateman breaks his leg, and Barnett gets the garbage time snaps. In 2 years, Hurts takes over as the starter and Barnett transfers from Bama without having played a meaningful snap at the Capstone. (100% conjecture, like most of the posts in this thread.)
Keep in mind, this does not mean platooning 2 guys like Spurrier has done in years past, splitting serieses and such. But Saban has directly stated in years past that he'd be open to having a version of a 2-guy system, perhaps similar to Chris Leak and Tebow during Tebow's first year. (Hurts being Tebow in this analogy.)
However, IMHO, Bateman starts this year and next, and probably wins a championship along the way. Hurts redshirts this year, but is the real QB2 if Bateman breaks his leg, and Barnett gets the garbage time snaps. In 2 years, Hurts takes over as the starter and Barnett transfers from Bama without having played a meaningful snap at the Capstone. (100% conjecture, like most of the posts in this thread.)
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:49 pm to prevatt33
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IMHO, Bateman starts this year and next, and probably wins a championship along the way. Hurts redshirts this year, but is the real QB2 if Bateman breaks his leg, and Barnett gets the garbage time snaps.
This is what I see as the most likely outcome too (which was the situation with AJ in 2009).
In the end, I don't care one way or another. This staff has done more than enough for me to completely trust their judgement. They'll play the guy that gives Bama the best chance to win this year and that works for me.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 1:50 pm to prevatt33
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Official Fall Camp Discussion Thread
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I wouldn't consider that a long ball by any stretch of the imagination and that's not what people are talking about.
No, but it IS what people SHOULD BE talking about. Bateman can get it done. We'll see if he does.
I will talk about this for a second on what he "Can" and "Can't" do that I've actually seen.
He makes most throws with little problem, true he doesn't have the "zip" that others do but that's whatever.
His sideline to sideline and real deep pass is pretty bad. I am not trying to run him into the ground or say someone should start over him. That is what it is, nothing can be done for the most part at this point. They will design a package around him and try not to show the shortcoming.
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:05 pm to CrimsonBoz
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I will talk about this for a second on what he "Can" and "Can't" do that I've actually seen.
He makes most throws with little problem, true he doesn't have the "zip" that others do but that's whatever.
His sideline to sideline and real deep pass is pretty bad. I am not trying to run him into the ground or say someone should start over him. That is what it is, nothing can be done for the most part at this point. They will design a package around him and try not to show the shortcoming.
I don't inherently disagree with any of this, save maybe the descriptor "pretty bad". I would wager a guess that "needs improvement" would be more apt.
Nonetheless, it's a moot point, imo. I'm not arguing that Bateman is the pure best passer in skeleton drills on our roster. I'm arguing that there's a great chance our Offense is the most potent, best version of itself (over the course of a game) with him at the helm due to him protecting the football, being the leader, possessing the most playbook knowledge and thereby putting us in the right plays pre-snap, throwing it away and living to play another down, and simply distributing the ball to our playmakers.
Honestly, to win a championship with this team, we don't need a Herculian effort at QB. We need a smart ball-distributor who takes what the defense gives us.
Too many folks think skeleton drills/video games equals real football.
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:25 pm to prevatt33
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I don't inherently disagree with any of this, save maybe the descriptor "pretty bad".
I say that with hesitation because I didn't want to use what some have said as " hot slaw". But some of his passes left me scratching my head. I have no issues with his leadership, and ball care. Also he is actually quite fast, i pray he will use it this time around.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:32 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Also he is actually quite fast, i pray he will use it this time around.
You and me, both. Boz, while I've got you, is there any inside info you could share to brighten my, and everyone else's, Thursday? My apologies for asking directly, but after the closing of that clownshow, wollyal, last year, I miss your regular updates. I wish there was a similar VIP platform here. Thanks in advance for any info.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:40 pm to prevatt33
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Also he is actually quite fast, i pray he will use it this time around.
You and me, both. Boz, while I've got you, is there any inside info you could share to brighten my, and everyone else's, Thursday? My apologies for asking directly, but after the closing of that clownshow, wollyal, last year, I miss your regular updates. I wish there was a similar VIP platform here. Thanks in advance for any info.
There isn't a lot to report until the scrimmage and after. Position groups usually get the most violent shake after that. But, most people have been perplexed as to why Kieth Holcombe has been missing from practice here and there. He has type 1 diabetes. So sometimes he simply can't practice.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:44 pm to CrimsonBoz
Thanks, and I'll look forward to your future updates.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:44 pm to prevatt33
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Blake sims, prior to being our starting QB 2 years ago, had spent time at both Safety and Running back while at Bama.
Like most everyone I love me some Blake Sims, but refresh my memory; did he win a title ? I seem to recall him getting exposed as an athlete playing QB, no ?
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Saban specifically spoke about Bateman at WR a few years back and said it was because he was such a good athlete, the staff was seeing if he could help the team elsewhere.
So the staff was seeing if Bateman could help the team elsewhere due to seemingly not being able to help the team at QB ? Not sure your point here. Are you suggesting that Bateman was going to switch to WR, and then actually contribute during games at WR ? Yeah, no.
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You can "not buy it" all you want, but your just advertising yourself as a person with his head in the sand.
Really ? My head in the sand ? Well that seems a bit harsh. Dang.
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And lastly, regarding your comment about "QB of the future", I can't understand why so many of you focus on the "future" as if it's some tangible thing. Saban gets paid to win NOW
Every current QB was once the QB of the future. That is why it is something people "focus" on including CNS. The eldest QB is not always the next QB.
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It is overtly evident that many Bama fans on this board and others never played sports at a high level, or else these ridiculous opinions would not be so pervasive
Well, cant speak for everyone else but I played three sports most of my life; two sports through high school. Never received a scholly offer, but I was a gamer none the less. In fact I still currently play several "adult sports" at a high level so ... not sure your logic about why everyone's opinions (other than yours of course) are so "ridiculous."
Lastly, it seems you are hyping Bateman more passionately than any pundit is hyping BB8 or Hurts so your post seems possibly hypocritical ? That may be a bit strong language if so I apologize, but its the term that came to mind first.
If I were wagering, or removing all personal preference from guessing this seasons QB I would say:
Bateman has a 45%
Barnett has a 40%
Hurts obviously would be at 15% IMHO
So while Bateman is the favorite; those odds are not exactly favorable.
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:46 pm to PowHound
I'd say:
Bateman 70%
Hurts 20%
Barnett 10%
Bateman 70%
Hurts 20%
Barnett 10%
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:54 pm to PowHound
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Bateman has a 45%
Barnett has a 40%
Hurts obviously would be at 15% IMHO
So while Bateman is the favorite; those odds are not exactly favorable.
These and the other odds solely depend on the scrimmages.
If Barnett chokes like last year he is done. I'd lay claim in whoever does the scrimmage well.
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