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Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:04 pm to Tider95
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:04 pm to Tider95
I agree. Everyone talks about the great job Enos did last year. Let's talk about that. This is NOT a Jalen v Tua debate. Jalen was raw. His dad is a defensive coach. Enos had a block of clay to mold. Tua grew up in an offensive household, so Enos could do so much, because it was already done.
Tua will benefit more from an OC watching film together, seeing what other defenses can do to trick him, etc. QB coach not needed for that. We can use that resource on the defensive side where it's needed
Edit, again this is not a knock on Jalen. He has all the talent in the world, but no one ever showed him how to put it all together. Now he does, and will have a great year next year.
Tua will benefit more from an OC watching film together, seeing what other defenses can do to trick him, etc. QB coach not needed for that. We can use that resource on the defensive side where it's needed
Edit, again this is not a knock on Jalen. He has all the talent in the world, but no one ever showed him how to put it all together. Now he does, and will have a great year next year.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 2:08 pm
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Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:21 pm to Tider95
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I don't see why we would waste a spot on a dedicated QB coach when quite frankly Tua could stay the exact same next year and we will be a much better team all around. The point is that because Golding is not an linebackers coach, we need a coach who can actually focus on that position whereas Sark is a well regarded QB coach who is close with the Tagavialoa family. Next year when we are breaking in a new qb, yes we need a dedicated coach, but until then I am much more concerned with winning a natty this year and a QB coach doesn't make as big an impact as an elite linebacker coach.
1) At no point in this thread have I been arguing about next year. I'm arguing about the best way to structure an on-the-field football staff in college football.
2) We have more QBs than Tua, and all of them need to be developed maximally in 2019. Not only do we need to prepare for the future, but Tua could shatter a leg bone at any time, and the #2 guy needs to be ready. I think you're taking a very short-sighted view of next year.
3) There's no reason why the DC has to coach ILBs. He can coach any of the position groups. I'm sure Golding can coach a position group if we are requiring one of the Coordinators to do so. Personally, I see the benefits of a dedicated QB coach and believe it to be essential every single year.
And don't give me that crap about Mike having to be coached by the DC. Mike doesn't even get the play and call it in the traditional way anymore. The whole team looks to the sideline and gets the signal, and we've been doing this for a few years now.
4) If Golding will indeed be required to coach ILBs and doesn't copious experience doing so, then we have about 6 months for him to learn, and no I'm not kidding. There are numerous ILB gurus out there, and we have all the money and resources to train our coaches to coach. Hell, pay Ray Lewis a few hundred thousand to live in Tuscaloosa for a few months and make Golding into God's Gift to ILBs. There are a thousand ways to skin a cat, and many here act like there's 2.
In summation, I wholeheartedly agree that we need to get much better ILB play for next year, but I don't see how that has to come at the expense of the development of our entire QB room.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:36 pm to prevatt33
And one more thing, just like the DC not being required to specifically coach the ILBs, there's no law that says the OC has to coach the QBs. There are OCs all over the country who don't coach the QB, but rather the WRs, RBs, TEs, or the Oline.
Sure, Sark's experience is with QBs, albeit 11 years ago, but I'm making a more global statement about CFB as a whole.
I just think that of all the position groups who most need specialized and intensive coaching, QB is at the absolute top of that list every single year. Granted, if it was 1975 and we're running the Wishbone, then I'd have a completely different viewpoint. But offenses now in CFB are dominating the landscape and much of it is due to QBs being next level because of the dedicated development of the position over time, starting in HS. It would be a bad idea IMO for Saban and CO. to rest on their laurels, even for a year, with regard to the development of the most crucial position group on the team (although Oline has a really good argument for most crucial).
Sure, Sark's experience is with QBs, albeit 11 years ago, but I'm making a more global statement about CFB as a whole.
I just think that of all the position groups who most need specialized and intensive coaching, QB is at the absolute top of that list every single year. Granted, if it was 1975 and we're running the Wishbone, then I'd have a completely different viewpoint. But offenses now in CFB are dominating the landscape and much of it is due to QBs being next level because of the dedicated development of the position over time, starting in HS. It would be a bad idea IMO for Saban and CO. to rest on their laurels, even for a year, with regard to the development of the most crucial position group on the team (although Oline has a really good argument for most crucial).
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:40 pm to prevatt33
We have no reason to think the QB room would suffer under Sark considering he is highly regarded as a QB coach. We know Golding can't coach linebackers ILB's.
A guru would be great, that isn't the same as going and getting a coach specialized for that position as you keep emphasizing about the QB position. QB room development as a whole can be sacrificed for a year if that means having the best possible defense on the field in 2019. If we lose Tua we already are most likely fricked for a Natty with the rawness that Tyson and Lia will bring as the two backups. I realize that this hurts us long term if neither of them develop this year (something I really doubt), but you only get this kind of offensive talent combined with the secondary we will bring back every so often.
I think you make really good points except you keep saying that the signal caller isn't imporant anymore and that simply is not true. The difference between a competent one and someone who is bad at it wreaks havoc on our defense and has for years. Looking to the sideline for the signals is not the same as having a guy in the middle fixing alignments/correcting mistakes/clearing up communication all which our signal caller does in the modern defenses.
If we end up with Golding back at ILB that isn't the end of the world, but the QB coach must be elite in order to make that trade-off worth it. Enos is viewed as an elite QB coach despite this board turning on him and that spot needs to be filled with someone else viewed as a top level QB coach.
A guru would be great, that isn't the same as going and getting a coach specialized for that position as you keep emphasizing about the QB position. QB room development as a whole can be sacrificed for a year if that means having the best possible defense on the field in 2019. If we lose Tua we already are most likely fricked for a Natty with the rawness that Tyson and Lia will bring as the two backups. I realize that this hurts us long term if neither of them develop this year (something I really doubt), but you only get this kind of offensive talent combined with the secondary we will bring back every so often.
I think you make really good points except you keep saying that the signal caller isn't imporant anymore and that simply is not true. The difference between a competent one and someone who is bad at it wreaks havoc on our defense and has for years. Looking to the sideline for the signals is not the same as having a guy in the middle fixing alignments/correcting mistakes/clearing up communication all which our signal caller does in the modern defenses.
If we end up with Golding back at ILB that isn't the end of the world, but the QB coach must be elite in order to make that trade-off worth it. Enos is viewed as an elite QB coach despite this board turning on him and that spot needs to be filled with someone else viewed as a top level QB coach.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:42 pm to prevatt33
Saban isn't going to hire another assistant coach to coach just the QB's.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:45 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Kyle Flood @KJJFlood
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:46 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Saban isn't going to hire another assistant coach to coach just the QB's.
I know, right? He'd never do that, except when he did that in 2018 as soon as the 10th assistant was added - when he hired Dan Enos, after which he have several public interviews where he lauded the benefits of having a dedicated QB coach, how it helps the QBs tremendously by getting hands on training every second of every practice, and that it frees up the OC to focus solely on COORDINATING the offense.
Yeah, he'd never, ever do that.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:56 pm to Tider95
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If we lose Tua we already are most likely fricked for a Natty with the rawness that Tyson and Lia will bring as the two backups.
I don't agree here. We have too much talent at every other position for it to fall off a cliff with the backup QB, no matter who they are. We'd just need to run the football really well.
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you keep saying that the signal caller isn't imporant anymore and that simply is not true
No, I am not saying the Mike or signal caller isn't important. That position very much is, and I say that as as a former all-state Mike myself. What I'm saying is that in 2018, the signal caller on defense isn't nearly as important as the signal caller on offense, and I'd therefore rather the QB have a dedicated position coach over another position on defense, if I'm forced to choose between the 2. Hell, the QB calls and manages all 11 on offense. The Mike, at MOST, manages the front 6 only (not front 7, as we play Nickle or Dime 85% of the time now).
But remember, I was never clamoring for the ILBs to not have a dedicated position coach. I questioned the necessity for the OLBs to have a dedicated position coach, given that in 2018, it's really just 1 position - Jack.
I'd rather hire a great LB coach who can coach ILBs and OLBs, and hire a great QB coach, and call it a day. Or, have the LB coach the Mike, Will, and Sam - and put the Jack in the DLine room.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:59 pm to prevatt33
Potential 2019 staff:
OC/QB - Sarkisian (or + QB coach)
RB - Huff
WR - Taylor or Wiggins
TE/ST - Banks (ST: Punt, KO, FG & PAT?)
OL - Flood
DC/ILB or DB - Golding (Scott LBs?)
OLB - Sunseri or /Golding (or Scott) or Roach
DL - Sunseri, Roach or Davis
S or DB - Kelly (ST: K&P returns, FG defense?)
CB - Scott, Golding or Saban
ETA: Scott's experience includes DB, LB & DC (bio posted below).
ETA: The above is based on names mentioned the most so far. Obviously, there are various possible scenarios. To allow for a dedicated QB coach, there could be one DB coach with Saban helping (as usual) or the LBs and DL could be covered by 2 staff; e.g., Golding (or Scott) and Sunseri. The STs split is just speculation. Huff has also coached STs.
ETA: I just now read "Monday night coaching chatter" nuggets on BOL and it matches up with the names included on the above list -- Taylor, Wiggins, Roach and Davis are candidates; Kool not mentioned; Pannunzio off-field if he wants to stay but he also has NFL opportunities; Jones biding time off-field.
OC/QB - Sarkisian (or + QB coach)
RB - Huff
WR - Taylor or Wiggins
TE/ST - Banks (ST: Punt, KO, FG & PAT?)
OL - Flood
DC/ILB or DB - Golding (Scott LBs?)
OLB - Sunseri or /Golding (or Scott) or Roach
DL - Sunseri, Roach or Davis
S or DB - Kelly (ST: K&P returns, FG defense?)
CB - Scott, Golding or Saban
ETA: Scott's experience includes DB, LB & DC (bio posted below).
ETA: The above is based on names mentioned the most so far. Obviously, there are various possible scenarios. To allow for a dedicated QB coach, there could be one DB coach with Saban helping (as usual) or the LBs and DL could be covered by 2 staff; e.g., Golding (or Scott) and Sunseri. The STs split is just speculation. Huff has also coached STs.
ETA: I just now read "Monday night coaching chatter" nuggets on BOL and it matches up with the names included on the above list -- Taylor, Wiggins, Roach and Davis are candidates; Kool not mentioned; Pannunzio off-field if he wants to stay but he also has NFL opportunities; Jones biding time off-field.
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 8:36 am
Posted on 1/21/19 at 3:07 pm to TidalSurge1
Kelly will coach the safeties.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 3:09 pm to Bama3714
Is that definite? If so, will Scott coach CBs and who'll coach ILBs, OLBs and DL?
ETA: Scott's experience includes DB, LB & DC:
LINK ]KARL SCOTT (RollTide.com)
Karl Scott begins his first year on head coach Nick Saban's coaching staff in 2018 after joining the program in January to serve as the secondary coach.
Scott will be charged with replacing five starters in the defensive secondary from the Tide's 2017 national championship team. Off to the NFL are Minkah Fitzpatrick, Ronnie Harrison, Anthony Averett, Levi Wallace and Tony Brown.
Scott will have the services of redshirt junior safety Deionte Thompson, who started both games of the 2018 College Football Playoff, along with the likes of Trevon Diggs, Shyheim Carter, Xavier McKinney, Daniel Wright and Jared Mayden. The Crimson Tide also signed an impressive group of incoming players in the secondary, including junior college transfer Saivion Smith along with high school standouts Patrick Surtain Jr., Josh Jobe, Jalyn Armour-Davis and Eddie Smith.
Scott spent the last two seasons as the secondary coach at Texas Tech before being named the defensive coordinator at Louisiana-Lafayette in late December. His secondary at Texas Tech this past season posted an impressive turnaround, helping produce 29 turnovers, including 14 interceptions. He mentored two All-Big 12 selections in Jah'Shawn Johnson and Justus Parker.
Prior to his time at Texas Tech, Scott spent one season as the safeties coach at Louisiana Tech under head coach Skip Holtz. He helped the Bulldogs to a 9-4 record in 2015 and a second-place finish in the Western Division of Conference USA. Louisiana Tech defeated Arkansas State in the New Orleans Bowl as the Bulldogs finished eighth nationally in defensive touchdowns after forcing 22 turnovers, including 13 interceptions.
Scott worked at Southeastern Louisiana for three years, serving as the defensive coordinator in 2014 and linebackers coach in 2012-13. During his tenure with the Lions, he helped lead the program to back-to-back Southland Conference Championships (2013-14) and two NCAA Football Championship Division playoff appearances.
His 2014 defense at Southeastern led the Southland Conference in total defense while ranking seventh in the FCS. The Lions also led the nation in pass efficiency defense (94.3), and ranked fifth in red zone defense, eighth in scoring defense (17.7 ppg) and 11th in turnovers gained (28).
Isiah Corbett and Harlan Miller were two mainstays on Scott's defense at Southeastern Louisiana, both earning All-America honors in 2014, while seven other defenders – Denzel Thompson, Jacob Newman, Tyler Stoddard, A.J. Bowen, Drew Misita, Jordan Batiste and Micah Eugene – joined the pair on the All-Southland Conference teams.
Scott's linebacker unit was a key factor in Southeastern's 2013 Southland Conference championship campaign. His corps benefited from the emergence of Cqulin Hubert, who was named Southland Defensive Player of the Year after recording a team-leading 90 tackles, including 11.0 that went for a loss.
Before his time at Southeastern Louisiana, Scott served as recruiting coordinator, defensive backs coach and linebackers coach for four years at Tusculum College from 2008-11.
He made an immediate impact at Tusculum, as he mentored two all-conference selections in Justin Scott and Jarvis Littlejohn. Scott collected all-region honors following the 2008 season, establishing new school records for single-season (22) and career (51) tackles for loss while finishing the season with 113 tackles and 277 for his career.
Scott's coaching career began at Delta State as a graduate assistant in 2007. He coached with Pete Golding, who joined the Tide's staff in December of 2017, at Southeastern in 2012-13 and at Tusculum from 2008-09.
A native of Houston, Scott played at McMurry University in Abilene, Texas, where he earned his degree in exercise and sports studies in 2007. Scott and his wife Taron have a daughter, Kina Bailey.
ETA: Scott's experience includes DB, LB & DC:
LINK ]KARL SCOTT (RollTide.com)
Karl Scott begins his first year on head coach Nick Saban's coaching staff in 2018 after joining the program in January to serve as the secondary coach.
Scott will be charged with replacing five starters in the defensive secondary from the Tide's 2017 national championship team. Off to the NFL are Minkah Fitzpatrick, Ronnie Harrison, Anthony Averett, Levi Wallace and Tony Brown.
Scott will have the services of redshirt junior safety Deionte Thompson, who started both games of the 2018 College Football Playoff, along with the likes of Trevon Diggs, Shyheim Carter, Xavier McKinney, Daniel Wright and Jared Mayden. The Crimson Tide also signed an impressive group of incoming players in the secondary, including junior college transfer Saivion Smith along with high school standouts Patrick Surtain Jr., Josh Jobe, Jalyn Armour-Davis and Eddie Smith.
Scott spent the last two seasons as the secondary coach at Texas Tech before being named the defensive coordinator at Louisiana-Lafayette in late December. His secondary at Texas Tech this past season posted an impressive turnaround, helping produce 29 turnovers, including 14 interceptions. He mentored two All-Big 12 selections in Jah'Shawn Johnson and Justus Parker.
Prior to his time at Texas Tech, Scott spent one season as the safeties coach at Louisiana Tech under head coach Skip Holtz. He helped the Bulldogs to a 9-4 record in 2015 and a second-place finish in the Western Division of Conference USA. Louisiana Tech defeated Arkansas State in the New Orleans Bowl as the Bulldogs finished eighth nationally in defensive touchdowns after forcing 22 turnovers, including 13 interceptions.
Scott worked at Southeastern Louisiana for three years, serving as the defensive coordinator in 2014 and linebackers coach in 2012-13. During his tenure with the Lions, he helped lead the program to back-to-back Southland Conference Championships (2013-14) and two NCAA Football Championship Division playoff appearances.
His 2014 defense at Southeastern led the Southland Conference in total defense while ranking seventh in the FCS. The Lions also led the nation in pass efficiency defense (94.3), and ranked fifth in red zone defense, eighth in scoring defense (17.7 ppg) and 11th in turnovers gained (28).
Isiah Corbett and Harlan Miller were two mainstays on Scott's defense at Southeastern Louisiana, both earning All-America honors in 2014, while seven other defenders – Denzel Thompson, Jacob Newman, Tyler Stoddard, A.J. Bowen, Drew Misita, Jordan Batiste and Micah Eugene – joined the pair on the All-Southland Conference teams.
Scott's linebacker unit was a key factor in Southeastern's 2013 Southland Conference championship campaign. His corps benefited from the emergence of Cqulin Hubert, who was named Southland Defensive Player of the Year after recording a team-leading 90 tackles, including 11.0 that went for a loss.
Before his time at Southeastern Louisiana, Scott served as recruiting coordinator, defensive backs coach and linebackers coach for four years at Tusculum College from 2008-11.
He made an immediate impact at Tusculum, as he mentored two all-conference selections in Justin Scott and Jarvis Littlejohn. Scott collected all-region honors following the 2008 season, establishing new school records for single-season (22) and career (51) tackles for loss while finishing the season with 113 tackles and 277 for his career.
Scott's coaching career began at Delta State as a graduate assistant in 2007. He coached with Pete Golding, who joined the Tide's staff in December of 2017, at Southeastern in 2012-13 and at Tusculum from 2008-09.
A native of Houston, Scott played at McMurry University in Abilene, Texas, where he earned his degree in exercise and sports studies in 2007. Scott and his wife Taron have a daughter, Kina Bailey.
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 8:23 am
Posted on 1/21/19 at 3:09 pm to prevatt33
Fletcher.........There's another old saying Senator. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 3:09 pm to prevatt33
I 100% am on board with getting an elite LB coach and moving the jack into splitting time between DL and LB. 
There have been 0 QB coaching candidates mentioned though, and that seems to suggest that Saban, despite saying what he said about the value of the QB coach will not hire one, unless post NSD someone big pops open that currently seems unavailable.
There have been 0 QB coaching candidates mentioned though, and that seems to suggest that Saban, despite saying what he said about the value of the QB coach will not hire one, unless post NSD someone big pops open that currently seems unavailable.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 3:12 pm to TidalSurge1
I keep thinking Scott is going to move on post NSD... It would let Golding move to CB's and open up a spot for a dedicated LB coach.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 3:16 pm to Tider95
Maybe. However, I've seen no mention of Scott leaving or any experienced LB coach candidates except Freddie Roach. Also, Roach's LB coaching experience isn't that lengthy and I don't recall any mention of Roach actually interviewing.
ETA: Scott has DB, LB & DC experience (bio posted above).
ETA: Scott has DB, LB & DC experience (bio posted above).
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 3:22 pm to Tider95
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There have been 0 QB coaching candidates mentioned though, and that seems to suggest that Saban, despite saying what he said about the value of the QB coach will not hire one, unless post NSD someone big pops open that currently seems unavailable.
I totally get that, but based off of Saban's comments last year and the benefits we all saw from having a QB coach, I'd be very surprised for us to forgo having a QB coach into perpetuity. I get the argument for this next year, but I was always arguing globally, not specifically to 2019.
I also very much believe Saban could and would hire a QB coach without much fanfare beforehand. Didn't he hire Enos with a phone call?
Posted on 1/21/19 at 3:22 pm to TidalSurge1
Yeah, I'm just not sure how Scott and Kelly make sense splitting the secondary unless there is a corresponding move somewhere else.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 3:33 pm to Tider95
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This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 3:37 pm to prevatt33
JMO but Nick hired Dan with the future OC in mind. Bama paid the guy 200k for 2018 (due to the Hogs paying the rest) with each year of the next two increasing.
Alabama was able to save a little money with two assistants getting buyouts from previous employers. Quarterbacks coach Dan Enos will be paid only $200,000 from Alabama for his first two years while Arkansas pays the rest after being fired as offensive coordinator. When that runs out, his pay for Year 3 will jump to $875,000.
Alabama was able to save a little money with two assistants getting buyouts from previous employers. Quarterbacks coach Dan Enos will be paid only $200,000 from Alabama for his first two years while Arkansas pays the rest after being fired as offensive coordinator. When that runs out, his pay for Year 3 will jump to $875,000.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 3:50 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
Please explain how this is remotely applicable to anything I've been saying.
Saban hired a dedicated QB coach in 2018. It had obvious benefits and Saban himself lauded it at length multiple times. I believe it's a superior arrangement given the 10th assistant, and has argued as such.
So what the frick have I said that is completely changing reality like changing rain to piss?
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